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To: arderkrag
"Never mind that South tried to end slavery prior to the war."

Can you supply any documentation on that? Since slavery was a total states rights issue then (prior to the 13th Amendment) who was stopping them from ending slavery? Northern states ended it on their own, and no one stopped it.

Your knowledge of history has some very serious gaps.

I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens.

Defending slavery was all the Confederacy was about. Without slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

45 posted on 06/23/2012 9:35:29 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto
Since slavery was a total states rights issue then (prior to the 13th Amendment)

Which version of the 13th Amendment do you mean, the pro-slavery language Lincoln vigorously endorsed (Corwin amendment), or the one they could only ratify over his dead body?

Your knowledge of history has some very serious gaps.

Did you know about Corwin: No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

The very existence of this thing disproves the prevailing interpretation of history. It is not the smoking gun, it is the magic bullet itself. A whole version of history lies dead in the corner with Lincoln bent over it.

I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens.

I would recommend you read the Cornerstone Speech by Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens. The contended issues referenced also include: tariffs, disadvantageous and selective support of certain industries and classes of people, and the use of "millions" (real money, back then) from the common treasury for disproportionally regional internal improvements. The sort of people who usually cite this reported version of the speech tend to gloss over those points, if they are even aware of them.

I write "reported version" because what comes to us was not a recording, a stenotype, or even Stephens' notes, but was cobbled together from a report's hasty notes. Stephens himself claimed that the published version of the speech contained many errors, which casts a shadow of doubt over much of it.

Defending slavery was all the Confederacy was about. Without slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

That view was not supported by the very figure to whom you turn.

82 posted on 06/24/2012 2:40:54 AM PDT by Brass Lamp
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To: Ditto

The confederacy was about the right to secede, a right that every state has. The Union infringed on that right. Repeatedly. The north deserves the downward economic and social trend it has experienced for the way it treated the South.


102 posted on 06/24/2012 4:41:22 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Ditto

The confederacy was about the right to secede, a right that every state has. The Union infringed on that right. Repeatedly. The north deserves the downward economic and social trend it has experienced for the way it treated the South.


103 posted on 06/24/2012 4:41:52 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Ditto
Defending slavery was all the Confederacy was about. Without slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

wrong

109 posted on 06/24/2012 7:44:36 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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