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To: the invisib1e hand; pepsionice; Yehuda
I suppose the people of Harlem would be quite beside themselves to find FR types in agreement with them on S+f.

Once in a while, we find ourselves in agreement with the ACLU. This is one of those times (unless you're a 'security above all else, Constitution be damned' kind of guy like above).

Basically, just being present in public in NYC means you give the NYPD free reign to stop you and frisk you for weapons or anything else illegal.

Now, minorities claim this is racist and they are unfairly targeted. Maybe, maybe not, but I don't care. No one should be subjected to unreasonable search and seizure. The Fourth Amendment reads:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't know what part of the above text pepsionice or Yehuda disagree with, or how they think it doesn't apply to S+F, but I'd love to know.

13 posted on 06/18/2012 6:59:12 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Do you live in NYC because I do and until all crime is gone I will support stop & frisk any and every time. I’ve lived through the nightmare pre and post Mayor Dinkins and until Giuliani came along and cleaned up this City it was a hell hole for me, my family and friends. When they stop killing innocent people and themselves then and only then should stop and frisk be suspended.

Stop & frisk facts
It’s all about crime — not race

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/stop_frisk_facts_rVuSm8oyOMhFdNe0PzGksO#ixzz1yBJMQ6Nu


14 posted on 06/18/2012 2:09:19 PM PDT by bluerose
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