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To: loveliberty2

Very worthy additions, thank you. At the most basic level, that’s really all that we face.

Communists reject the planning of the Fascists, Progressives believe they have an even better way to centrally plan than the other two, yet other planners want to plan a slightly different way and give themselves a different title.

What the founders gave us was the lack of an enforced national plan. The only true liberty that can ever exist. We run our own lives instead of experts commissions and bosses telling us how to do it.


5 posted on 05/27/2012 9:02:54 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
You're correct. The Founders' "plan," or "formula," as some have called it, was a "People's" own written Constitution to place what Jefferson called a "chain" on the powers of any of their elected fellows who would claim a right to "plan" and coercively control the lives, rights, liberties, and pursuits of the rest of them.

That must be why the present Executive calls it a document of "negative liberties."

"It was intended to lace them up straitly within the enumerated powers...." - Thomas Jefferson

7 posted on 05/27/2012 9:17:50 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Perhaps it’s a matter of semantics, but “planning” is not the problem. We all engage in a form of planning in an ordered society. The issue is the GOAL.

If the goal is a centralized tightly controlled society, the actions (derived from plans) are going to be directed toward fulfilling that goal.

“Centralized planning” by a governmental entity is indeed the mechanism (tool) used to accomplish the goal of establishing a centralized control over segments of a society and therefore is undesirable to most of us.

If the goal, on the other hand, is to preserve individual sovereignty/liberty and to protect that liberty from an ever encroaching attempt to deprive us of that liberty, then our actions (derived from our plans to accomplish our goal) are geared toward achieving that goal.

In other words, plans simply enable us to achieve our goals. They can be admirable (example: goal is to put a man on the moon, or build a network of interstate highways, all the planning involved in achieving those goals were necessary or at least logical and rational assuming the people agreed with the goals).

Planning is indeed problematic but only when the actions outlined in the plans are geared to accomplish an undesirable or otherwise faulty goal. Seems to me the objective would be to reject the goal, letting the plans tied to that goal fade away for lack of support.

At least that’s the way I see it.


8 posted on 05/27/2012 9:52:45 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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