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To: 4Zoltan

Abercrombie was asked, and was responding to, a question about the BC. Your own explanation dooms the explanation itself. I repeat. Abercrombie was asked about the BC, and he responded w info that even you admit had nothing to do w a BC. After which Abercrombie informed his friend that no BC existed in HI for Obama. His friend publicly repeated the story over and over and over. The idea that Evans couldn’t understand such a simple concept is belied by his history. He’s not in the habit of getting the story completely and ridiculously wrong. [Spare me the moonbat explanation. It’s just stupid, and only Obots believe it. The rest of us believe the obvious and common sense explanation.]

Obama’s father was a foreigner. Obama was born w divided loyalties. He made clear that he opted for his foreign over his American allegiance. This is what the Framers intended to spare the Republic: a man w divided loyalties. Nothing you can say changes that fact. Obama is half foreign, and he chose his foreign half over his American half. He is *recisely* the person the Framers sought to exclude from the office of POTUS.

Or do you think Obama is exactly what the Framers wanted? If so, why—and be specific.


96 posted on 05/24/2012 9:21:36 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

recisely = precisely


99 posted on 05/24/2012 9:32:08 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter; MrShoop

Here is the actual story, even the reporter says that Abercrombie is talking about the State Archives:

Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. How is that coming?

A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.

(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.

If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.”

http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20110118_This_is_a_collaborative_endeavor.html?id=114049174

Here is what Abercrombie said about him releasing a copy of the BC:

“Pressed on whether he might unilaterally release a copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate, Abercrombie made clear that he is waiting for his cabinet officials to give him a report on what he can legally do before proceeding.”

“Obviously, I’m going to do what is legally possible,” the governor said.”

http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/27/governor-vows-to-end-birther-controversy/

He later found out he could not legally release the BC.

“State Attorney General David Louie told the governor he can’t disclose an individual’s birth documentation without a person’s consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said.

“There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz. “Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.”

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/114401004.html?id=114401004

And here is what Mike Evans said, and then retracted,

“Evans told KQRS on Jan. 20:

“Yesterday, talking to Neil’s office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor ..... there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii.”

But that’s no longer Evans’ story.
“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.”

Last week’s radio interview was part of Evans’ syndicated five-minute feature, “On the Road with Mike Evans,” which is broadcast on 34 stations across the country each morning.

On the morning of Jan. 20, Evans says he accidentally told one of those radio stations — KQRS — that he’d spoken directly with Gov. Abercrombie about the Obama birth certificate.

“I was on 34 radio stations that morning. That was the only station where I said, instead of saying ‘the hospital said there’s no birth certificate’ I misspoke and said Neil said that,” Evans said. “I misspoke and I apologize for that. I apologize to Neil.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/

Governor Jindal’s parent’s came here on student visas and he was born six months after his mother arrived in the US.

At the moment of his birth were his parents committed to staying in the US?

Senator Rubio’s parents returned to Cuba on several occasions for brief stints to examine what life was like under Castro before they returned to the United States.

Had the Bay of Pigs been successful, would they have returned to Cuba?

Neither question matters as both Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are “natural born Citizens”, just as the Founders intended.


134 posted on 05/24/2012 11:34:56 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: Fantasywriter

Here is Abercrombie in actual quotes:

“Pressed on whether he might unilaterally release a copy of Obama’s actual birth certificate, Abercrombie made clear that he is waiting for his cabinet officials to give him a report on what he can legally do before proceeding.”

“”Obviously, I’m going to do what is legally possible,” the governor said.”

http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/27/governor-vows-to-end-birther-controversy/

He never says he is going to release the BC.


“Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. How is that coming?

“A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have.”

“(Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.)”

“It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...”

“...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case.”

http://www.staradvertiser.com/editorials/20110118_This_is_a_collaborative_endeavor.html?id=114049174

Even the reporteer says that Abercrombie is talking about the State Archives not the DOH.


“State Attorney General David Louie told the governor he can’t disclose an individual’s birth documentation without a person’s consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said.”

“”There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document,” said Dela Cruz. “Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president.””

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/114401004.html?id=114401004

Abercrombie finds out he cannot legally release the BC.


Here is what Mike Evans told FOX

“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. “I never talked to him.”

Last week’s radio interview was part of Evans’ syndicated five-minute feature, “On the Road with Mike Evans,” which is broadcast on 34 stations across the country each morning.

On the morning of Jan. 20, Evans says he accidentally told one of those radio stations — KQRS — that he’d spoken directly with Gov. Abercrombie about the Obama birth certificate.

“I was on 34 radio stations that morning. That was the only station where I said, instead of saying ‘the hospital said there’s no birth certificate’ I misspoke and said Neil said that,” Evans said. “I misspoke and I apologize for that. I apologize to Neil.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/#ixzz1voRk0fn0


Governor Jindal’s parents were in the United States on student visas. He was born 6 months after they arrived.

At the moment of his birth were they committed to staying in the United States?

Senator Rubio’s parents returned on several occasions in the 1960’s to Cuba.

“My parents are from Cuba. After arriving in the United States, they had always hoped to one day return to Cuba if things improved and traveled there several times. In 1961, my mother and older siblings did in fact return to Cuba while my father stayed behind wrapping up the family’s matters in the U.S. After just a few weeks living there, she fully realized the true nature of the direction Castro was taking Cuba and returned to the United States one month later, never to return,”

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/20/news/la-pn-rubio-family-history-20111020

If the Bay of Pigs had been successful would they have returned to Cuba? Is that why they waited so long to naturalize?

The questions do not matter.

Both Senator Rubio and Governor Jindal are “natural born Citizens”. Just as the Founder’s intended.


160 posted on 05/24/2012 1:29:58 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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