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I am not Trayvon MArtin
Truth About Bills ^ | 04/27/2012 | Mark Mayberry

Posted on 04/27/2012 1:49:34 PM PDT by Mark Mayberry

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To: DuncanWaring
When someone you perceived to be a threat turns and runs away, it's illegal to shoot them.

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And, God knows, strangers with guns who follow you in the night would never do anything illegal.....

What color is the sun on your planet?

141 posted on 04/29/2012 12:30:04 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.


That is right. So far, that is the only evidence in front of the public - Zimmerman’s account of what happened. They can’t let Trayvon’s chest beating mother “testify” differently. She was not there. Al Sharpton was not there and neither was NBC. The prosecutor at the time, decided Zimmerman’s statement on the event matched the evidence collected by police at the scene and in the 911 call and there was no contrary evidence to prosecute.

Seems like freepers are going by what evidence they have seen so far versus flapping lips of race baitors who are looking for a good lynching.

If you have special evidence showing Zimmerman started the fight and is a liar, let us bad freepers in on it. The judge and jury has to look at the evidence and can’t go on how they feel it might have gone down based on the charged statements and manipulations of the press and race baitors.

When the prosecution submits her evidence against Zimmerman, then we can debate the validity that. But currently, I have seen nothing.


142 posted on 04/29/2012 12:44:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wtc911

All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.


That is right. So far, that is the only evidence in front of the public - Zimmerman’s account of what happened. They can’t let Trayvon’s chest beating mother “testify” differently. She was not there. Al Sharpton was not there and neither was NBC. The prosecutor at the time, decided Zimmerman’s statement on the event matched the evidence collected by police at the scene and in the 911 call and there was no contrary evidence to prosecute.

Seems like freepers are going by what evidence they have seen so far versus flapping lips of race baitors who are looking for a good lynching.

If you have special evidence showing Zimmerman started the fight and is a liar, let us bad freepers in on it. The judge and jury has to look at the evidence and can’t go on how they feel it might have gone down based on the charged statements and manipulations of the press and race baitors.

When the prosecution submits her evidence against Zimmerman, then we can debate the validity that. But currently, I have seen nothing.


143 posted on 04/29/2012 12:44:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
Zimmerman's CYA statement is the text-book definition of self-serving. I do not take it as gospel truth. And i would not take trayvon's version as gospel truth either if things turned out differently.

When you or any of the other freepers who have written on this and other threads that there are corroborating neutral eye-witness statement(s) that support his claim, can find them, then post them. Heck, if so many of you have seen them it should be easy.

144 posted on 04/29/2012 12:51:35 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
>>All that matters is who started this fight...and, in spite of the legions of freepers who claim otherwise, only two people know the answer...the guy who died and the guy who killed him.<<

For my money the most damning thing against Trayvon was the ABC interview of his friend DeeDee. As I recall, she said that Trayvon said something to the effect: “Why are you following me?” To which George said: “Why are you here?” Then she heard no more conversation and the phone went dead.

It doesn't pass the smell test for me to think that George would have slugged Trayvon. It seems much more plausible that Trayvon would have responded to George's question by punching him.

Also, remember that the original investigators did not find discrepancies between what George said happened and the physical evidence and the earwitnesses. George didn't know what the evidence would find or the witnesses would have heard when he talked to the police, so he would have been on shaky ground if he had started to make things up that could have been disproven.

Also remember that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of George confronting suspicious people before and he did call the cops. If he was planning on doing something illegal, it seems odd that he would have called the cops.

145 posted on 04/29/2012 12:59:56 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: SaraJohnson
That is what you should do instead of telling everyone to give you the links to all these sources of information you seemed to have missed.

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You're right --- I missed the link to the witness who stated that he saw martin jump zimmerman --- and I just can't find it --- Do you know where it is? I bet you don't.

146 posted on 04/29/2012 1:00:43 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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There is one witness that has made a statement to the effect, TM struck GZ from behind knocking him to the ground and etc.. The police and the prosecution have that statement. That witness will not be required to take the stand.

Bingo, if you said George Zimmerman!


147 posted on 04/29/2012 1:11:45 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: wtc911

LOL, you are a piece of work. :)


148 posted on 04/29/2012 1:11:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wtc911

You should have followed the case and then you would know what was written about what witnesses to the police they saw. :)

You can go back through all the earlier threads that you missed and find the reports. Better than making stuff up about Zimmerman’s guilt.


149 posted on 04/29/2012 1:14:42 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: GOYAKLA

A witness saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman.


150 posted on 04/29/2012 1:21:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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>>A witness saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman.<<

Unfortunately, that only proves that Zimmerman was losing the fight. It doesn’t prove who started it.

For the record, I believe Zimmerman’s story, and have contributed to his defense fund.


151 posted on 04/29/2012 1:31:56 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara
They have to prove Zimmerman started the fight. I've seen no evidence of things going down other than what Zimmerman has said and neither did the prosecutor before the lynch mobs showed up and had to be appeased.
152 posted on 04/29/2012 1:42:22 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

I followed the case from day one -— that is how I know that you can not produce any witness statements that say that martin jumped zimmerman, not a single one...there aren’t any...and you know it.


153 posted on 04/29/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: GOYAKLA
A particpant is not a neutral witness.

If you have a link to a neutral corroborating itness then please provide it.

154 posted on 04/29/2012 1:46:43 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: GOYAKLA
A particpant is not a neutral witness.

If you have a link to a neutral corroborating witness then please provide it.

155 posted on 04/29/2012 1:46:59 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
And, God knows, strangers with guns who follow you in the night would never do anything illegal.....

Then why didn't George Zimmerman just shoot Sweet Widdle Twayvon when he first spotted him, rather than going through the trouble of calling 911?

Why don't you just admit that you know with every fiber of your being that George Zimmerman is an evilracistsexisthomophobe who goes around shooting People of Color for fun?

Next?

156 posted on 04/29/2012 1:52:22 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: wtc911

I’ll give you a clue, one more time. You, the race baitors and the prosecution, are the accusers. In our justice system it is up to you to prove him guilty. Where is your evidence that the mess did not go down as Zimmerman told the cops?

That is the last time I will ask and if you have no evidence, you should give it up until you do. If you keep pounding the table with no evidence, you are a kook who disrespects the justice system and I won’t pay attention to you anymore. :)


157 posted on 04/29/2012 1:54:45 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
I haven't accused zimmerman of anything.

A lot of freepers swear that there is a witness statement that says TM attacked GZ.

Funny thing though, nobody, including you, can produce it. Why is that?

158 posted on 04/29/2012 2:02:59 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: SaraJohnson
>>They have to prove Zimmerman started the fight. I've seen no evidence of things going down other than what Zimmerman has said and neither did the prosecutor before the lynch mobs showed up and had to be appeased.<<

I agree. What's more, I think Trayvon’s friend DeeDee inadvertently supported Zimmerman's side of the story in her ABC interview. She said that Trayvon asked Zimmerman why Zimmerman was following him, and Zimmerman responded by asking why Trayvon was there. Then she heard no more conversation and the phone went dead. It makes more sense to me that Trayvon would have answered Zimmerman's question with a punch than that Zimmerman would have asked a question and then punched Trayvon without waiting for an answer.

159 posted on 04/29/2012 2:12:06 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara; SaraJohnson
>>:A witness saw trayvon on top of Zimmerman.<<
Unfortunately, that only proves that Zimmerman was losing the fight. It doesn’t prove who started it.
Starting a fight with a stranger is a brash act; how do you know that the guy you are picking on isn’t a karate master, or heavily armed? Assuming that the older man was heavier than the 17yo, it would seem more likely that Martin would have gained his advantage by surprise than by force. And given that Zimmerman knew the police would arrive in the immediate future, that seems like an unlikely time to be committing a felony, especially not knowing that none of the neighbors would see. Martin was wearing a hoodie and was not well known in the neighborhood; he presumably believed in his own anonymity. Zimmerman knew that if he engaged in a fight, no matter what the outcome of it he would not be anonymous.

On the other side of the ledger, we have the fact that Zimmerman is not backed up by the Associated Press journalism monopoly and his opponents are. And the fact that my suppositions are not absolute proof - and that is what you need when journalism strips you of your presumption of innocence.

For the record, I believe Zimmerman’s story, and have contributed to his defense fund.

160 posted on 04/29/2012 3:53:54 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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