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To: wintertime

When the Dover School board started flirting with teaching creationism it was a very conservative and mostly Christian electorate that voted them out.

If creationism conflicted with only one theory in biology it might be politic to just ignore that theory when teaching. But creationism conflicts with any number of theories and scientific disciplines.

Science class is there to teach science - not what science is acceptable to those with a primitive and superstitious view of the world.

In the free market where ideas are shown to either have value or not - science is a big winner and creationism is useless.

That is why the conservative and christian electorate of Dover threw out the creationists. Because the people of Dover wanted their children to learn useful things, and creationism is useless.


53 posted on 04/18/2012 6:21:36 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream; metmom
"That is why the conservative and christian electorate of Dover threw out the creationists. Because the people of Dover wanted their children to learn useful things, and creationism is useless."

NOT TRUE. The reason why the school board through out the Creationists is because two of the defendants were found to have "plotted" to bring religion into a government school; not on the merits of the science of Intelligent Design - ID. The people who voted out these two were embarrassed by the fact that these two stated that the case was about ID and not about Creationism; but the Kitzmiller lawyers found video stating the opposite from them.

The judge in, "Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District," decided to relate ID and Creationism which he linked to being religious. The judge did not delve into the merits of whether or not they were different. The judge was not interested on the merits of the science of ID, let alone the science of Creationism. The judge was only interested on whether or not "religion" was being introduced int a government school.

This is the only way Evos win, by taking ID and/or Creationism to courts and/or defining it as religion. Evos don't want to fight it in the battle of scientific discussion in any classroom, or anywhere else for that matter. Ever see, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed?

54 posted on 04/18/2012 7:19:02 AM PDT by celmak
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To: allmendream
You have completely ignored my arguments.

It is impossible to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral school.

Government schools are not now, and NEVER have been religiously neutral ( this includes science classes).

End the curriculum wars! Begin the privatization of K-12 education. Let parents, principals, and teachers decide these matters.

Anecdotally atheists are the biggest defenders of government schooling. Gee! Could it be that it is because the taxpayer is forced to establish government atheism in the godless schools. ( Lucky atheists!) /s

Macro-evolution is of little importance in the work and life of nearly all scientists except for the handful of scientists actually working in the Macro evolution field and this even includes biologists. It is of NO importance in the life and work of the vast majority of Americans and should not be forced on their children against their will. No one should be forced to pay for the study of Macro evolution through their taxes.

65 posted on 04/18/2012 4:56:39 PM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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