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To: Tailgunner Joe
Do most creationists not believe in the common descent of SOME species that came from the Ark?

http://www.icr.org/article/speciation-animals-ark/

This article sure seems to support that.

So species don't speciate - unless they do - and at many thousands of times the usual rate?

The evidence - of Endogenous Retrovirus - of gene families - of nested hierarchies of similarity in DNA - and others - all support the common descent of species.

Observing speciation doesn't mean that all species will speciate. That is correct. But any species that uses DNA will be subject to change. Change is inevitable. DNA replication itself causes change.

I am not appealing to the authority of the Pope that evolution is true - just that it is consistent with a faith in God. If you state something cannot be - that one cannot accept evolution and have faith in God - then it would be incumbent upon you to explain how the Pope and many other millions of Christians have no faith in God.

But that is a theological argument - if you want to argue the evidence - read up on endogenous retroviral sequences and get back to me.

When you have a basic understanding of the evidence then you might credibly argue the nature of the evidence.

48 posted on 04/17/2012 10:12:48 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: allmendream
...it is consistent with a faith in God. If you state something cannot be - that one cannot accept evolution and have faith in God - then it would be incumbent upon you...

Very well, then. Men evolved from Adam and Eve, who were created by God. This is, as you say, evolution.

79 posted on 04/19/2012 9:36:40 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: allmendream
Now you are trying to convince me that species speciate by citing creationist arguments? Again, like your appeal to the authority of the pope, appealing to the arguments of creationists to support your faith in the theory of evolution does not help your cause. It just shows that your faith in evolution is indeed a religious belief.

The idea that genes which resemble each other are therefore descended from each other is exactly the kind of logical error that the theory of evolution is predicated upon. Just because something looks like something else doesn't mean they are related. We can only assume that they are related if we first assume that all species are descended from one common ancestor, which you already admitted may not be true at all. Thus the whole facade of evolutionary theory collapses under the weight of its false premises.

Change may be inevitable, but change is not one species evolving from another species. Fossil evidendce shows that humans have changed over time, but they always changed into more humans, never into something else.

One can believe in evolution and believe in God, but if one does not believe in God, then they have a psychological need to believe in evolution. Thus they cling to their irrational and unscientific belief in evolution despite all the evidence that has disproved the theory.

I don't need to study up on evolution at all, I am very familiar with all the arguments. I studied them in college and found them unconvincing then and now. You even admitted that I was right that observing speciation does not prove that every animal speciates. It also does not prove that every animal came from speciation.

116 posted on 04/22/2012 2:00:39 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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