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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
And it is common and the norm that in most cases, in most states, judges will grant this request. This not only includes the right to bear arms, but the right to vote, the right to sit on a jury, and often expungement, or sealing of the records of their trial and conviction at the state level.

You have no clue what you're talking about, you're absolutely wrong regarding 2nd A rights.

Ask Scooter Libby or Gordon Liddy (he used to joke about his wife buying guns).

Once you are convicted of a felony you are entered into a federal data base, states and feds will not grant them back.....even though they do not have the power to take them in the first place.

16 posted on 04/11/2012 3:00:36 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

you are mistaken. Many states have a process whereby a convicted felon can have all rights restored, including the possession of firearms. The federal government recognizes the restoration, and there is a process whereby a person can notify the FBI of same, in order that they may pass the instant background check when buying a gun from a FFL.
Unfortunately for people convicted of federal felonies, such remedies do not exist at the federal level. Thus, Gordon Liddy must have his wife collect guns, he cannot.


20 posted on 04/11/2012 3:15:35 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: Las Vegas Ron

In Michigan your record can be expunged but the county gun board/state police will deny the permit anyway.

Michigan concealed carry info (not all correct)

http://www.usacarry.com/michigan_concealed_carry_permit_information.html


22 posted on 04/11/2012 3:18:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01435.htm

(asterisk(*) emphasis mine)

“In accordance with 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(20), a conviction does not disqualify an individual from possessing firearms if the person convicted “has had civil rights restored.”

“In § 922(g)(1) cases based upon a *State* felony conviction, courts have uniformly looked to the law of the State where the conviction was obtained to determine whether the defendant’s civil rights have been restored and whether such action has nullified the conviction’s incidental prohibition on firearms possession.

“With respect to *Federal* felony convictions, the Supreme Court declared in Beecham v. United States, 511 U.S. 368 (1994), that only Federal law can nullify the effect of the conviction through expungement, pardon, or restoration of civil rights. This is so, the Court ruled, even though there is no *Federal* procedure for restoring the civil rights of *Federal* felons.”

Both Scooter Libby and G. Gordon Liddy were convicted of *federal*, not state charges.


32 posted on 04/11/2012 6:22:29 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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