Posted on 04/09/2012 4:56:17 PM PDT by MichCapCon
“I lived there 1079-1981. Loved it.”
That’s a mighty long time....
Like I said, I love it. That’s why I stayed so long.
Surely you jest! There isn't enough money in MI for me to be a teacher...there or anywhere else! It wouldn't take long for me to be on death row for murder!
No, I'm not nor have I ever been a teacher. I just think it's funny that people bad-mouth teachers when a lot are probably no more competent in what they they are paid for doing than are teachers.
Your table of NC teacher pay.
First here are some data points from your table:
with NBPTS certification:
0-2 years: $34,080
10 years: $42,240
15 years: $45,000
20 years: $47,390
25 years: $51,300
Someone I looked at yesterday has 27 years and makes $62,800. She might have taken some learning programs that boosted her pay but she doesn’t get additional pay for coaching or some other above-and-beyond activity. She’s just a teacher. She’s in the Wake County system.
Not my table, the state’s. Wake is one of the big systems in the state anyway (local governments are allowed to add to teacher pay, and the big localities usually do so) and most teachers don’t have National Board Certification. My point being is that most teachers in NC don’t make the top end salary you indicated, and the only reason I wished to make that point, was that in your earlier post you cited a teacher of 15 years making that much, and in my experience that would be unlikely unless you lived in certain areas. Just striving for accuracy- no bitching meant.
teacher pay
My statement was distorted. I look at state employee salaries continuously and tend to remember the high teacher pays. We non-teacher employees are envious of the teachers that get raises even though the rest of us haven’t gotten one for several years.
Well, be less envious- we haven’t moved on the chart in 4 years- in other words, no raises for experience, and none on the horizon. And if you really want to see a NC state employee that makes an unjustified salary, go look at what the ABC store folks make. Some of them make a great deal more than any teacher (or indeed, a great many other people, state employees or not, and with no special training or qualifications otherwise, save to be well-connected..)
I know some Michigan teachers.
Salary in lower 40s (in a cost of living area way above NC or GA) for teachers without tenure and with ten years of experience.
Their pay has gone down three years in row as train wrecks of union / legislature / district budgets are avoided.
It now takes ten years to get tenure if you didn’t have it before last year due legislature and district in-fighting for cost. That means you are working for NO retirement as it is all cliff vesting.
These include people with triple majors, highly educated in the sciences but without advanced degrees.
One I know pays for one dependent child healthcare coverage at about $200 per month which puts a lie to the legend that they get monster coverage for free.
I will grant that there are areas elsewhere where the salaries and benefits are criminal, but I don’t think Michigan in general outside of the big Detroit suburbs and urban core are going to serve as examples of such if you do the research.
I work in the private sector. Teachers are unionized (mostly) government workers. The point is that they work for an institution that now produces negative added value.
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