LET OBAMA and his ilk do the destroying of Romney and watch. They will do it and they will not need our help lest people err.
As Christ said, if they are not against us, they are for us, so I do not think we should be in a position to investigate Mormons, because it will be easier to let the communist do that themselves. Let us not fall in that trap and do the job they want us to do for them, meddling in the secret marriages of others, because their marriages to this web of communist non-marriage hate religion is really the issue.
Now, from a Christian perspective, The “spiritual” type PTSD waged by those who hide behind a physical peace are in general a sort to wonder about. Mormons do not practice such per say, but they open the door to it, and the religion looks like Eve wondering whether to bite the fruit or not, in a sort of poetical manner of it... erring away from Christ on the cross choosing to “die” there rather than to “live” here.
What? Is this an open plea of ignorance about Mormonism's 180 year attack upon Christianity???
Mitt Romney, Dec, 2007, speaking @ the George Bush Presidential Library: "I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs."
Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects |
Mormon Source[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain] |
| “...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” | Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price |
| ...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” | Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price |
| Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] | Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30 |
| Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." | Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938] |
| “In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]…THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it almost 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, now numbering 52,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)] | Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996 |
So, you're advocating that we ignore all of American history, eh? What? Hide our heads in barrels of whatever you're selling???
For those with inquiring minds, here's what Mitt's leaders have taught them through the years -- and it's hardly how JudgemALL sizes up the scenario:
Joseph Smith himself:
Joseph Smith, Jr.: “…all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.” (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60).
Late 19th century:
George Q. Cannon, member of First Presidency with four different Lds "prophets": "AFTER the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, pg.324).
45 years ago:
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: McConkie says all non-Mormon churches are "...the great apostate church" [that's us -- the Christian church] "as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." ("Apostle" Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "What is the church of the devil in our day, and what is the seat of her power?…It is all the systems, BOTH Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel….It is communism, it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in ALL its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini" (Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55).
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is the world; it is all the carnality and evil to which fallen man is heir; it is every unholy and wicked practice; it is every false religion, every supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world. It is EVERY CHURCH except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)
Note, per Mormon doctrine, the "only true and living church on the face of the earth" is the Mormon church (D&C 1:30).
BTW, the Doctrinal New Testament Commentary was cited by the official Mormon church as a commentary to 1 Nephi 14:10:
* The church of JC LDS: Seminaries and Institutes of Religion: Book of Mormon Student Manual: Chapter 4: 1Nephi 11–14 : Notes and Commentary
* It was also cited among study guides commonly used in the Mormon church as published by Cedar Fort out of Springville, Utah...in these two 2007 books:
* Randal S. Chase, Making Precious Things Plain: A Book of Mormon Study Guide: Volume 1: 1 Nephi-Alma 16 Cedar Fort, Springville, UT, 2007 p. 40
* K. Douglas Bassett, PhD, Doctrinal Insights to the Book of Mormon: Vol. 1: 1 Nephi through 2 Nephi Cedar Fort, Springville, UT 2007, pp. 62-63
27 years ago -- Official Lds church magazine, Ensign:
The “man of sin,” generally equated with Satan, would exalt himself over all that is divine and assume the place of God in the Church. Of historical and theological significance is the fact that in Paul’s prophecy the church structure survives. But God is not at its head, making that church—following the appearance in it of Satan—no longer the church of God....How appropriate, therefore, is Paul’s description of him sitting in the place of God in the church of the apostasía. Kent P. Jackson, Signs of the Early Apostasy, Ensign, December 1984 Signs of the Early Apostasy
This BYU professor is commenting on 2 Thess. 2:1-12 here...which Christian commentators reference as future. Lds leaders constantly reference 2 Thess. 2:1-12 as past tense -- evidence of the great apostasy...Jackson calls it a "drastic" apostasy. Lds doctrine is that it was total or all but a handful...and those handful were never "public."
Does this mean, JudgemAll, you're just too lazy to investigate Mormonism?
Well, that's "OK"...the quotes that follow -- coupled with the previous two posts to you -- allows you to sit back and not have to research Mormonism...Of course, these quotes all work against your very premise...which you really need to retract!
The Encyclopedia of Mormonism claimed:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints DOES NOT see itself as one Christian denomination among many, but rather as God's latter-day restoration of the fulness of Christian faith and practice. (Encyclopedia of Mormonism 1:270)
Lds "apostle" Bruce McConkie ("Brother Bruce") "affectionately" conveyed the following to all Christians in his 1979 version of "Mormon Doctrine":
"Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are not Protestants, and the Church itself is not a Protestant Church. The true Church is not a dead branch broken from a dead tree... (p. 610)
I'd say among all the horrific and horrendous titles Mormon leaders have given of the worldwide historic Christian church for these past 180 years, I actually prefer this as the lone unoffensive title assigned to us by Mormons...for what is the cross but a "dead tree?"
I mean...consider the alternative titles given to us by Mormon leaders:
* The Abominable Whore of All the Earth Christian Church: Source: "abominable church...whore of all the earth" (2 Nephi 28:18, Book of Mormon);
* The Great Mother of Abominations Christian Church: Source: "that great church, the mother of abominations" (LDS “Scripture”—Doctrine & Covenants, 88:94).
* The Abominable Mother of Harlots Christian Church: Source: "...the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, which is the mothers of harlots..." (1 Nephi 13:34, Book of Mormon)
* The Mother of Harlots Great Abominable Christian Church of All the Earth (found, the devil): Source: "...the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil (1 Nephi 14:17, Book of Mormon)
* The Christian Church of the Devil [My, how almost "tame" and "plain" compared to the other Mormon doosies!] Source: "And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. (1 Nephi 14:10, Book of Mormon)
Now those were just the options available from Joseph Smith...but boy, once he set loose Lds "prophets," "apostles," first counselors, and the, they really uncorked some titles upon Christianity:
* Nothing Less Than the Whore of Babylon Catholic and Protestant Branches: Source: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' (Courtesy of Mitt Romney's great-great grandfather, Orson Pratt, an "apostle" within the Mormon church: The Seer, p. 255).
* Hatched in Hell Universal Christian Fellowship: Source: ..."a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invest a better engine to spread his work" [than Christianity...Lds "apostle-turned-'prophet'" John Taylor, JoD, vol. 6, p. 167]
* The Christian Church of the Mormon Devil: Source: "...the Christian God is the Mormon's Devil..." (Brigham Young, JoD, Vol. 5, p. 331)
(Ah-a 2-for-1 in this source!):
* Christian Mystery of Babylon the Great Mother of Harlot and Abominations of the Earth Church
and Lewd Daughter Protestant Church:
Source: 'The present Christian world exists and continues by division. The MYSTERY of Babylon the great, is mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and it needs no prophetic vision, to unravel such mysteries. The old church is the mother, and the protestants are the lewd daughters (Lds “Apostle” John Taylor, Times and Seasons, Vol.6, No.1, p.811, Feb. 15, 1845...Taylor followed Brigham Young as "prophet" of the Lds church)
[You can text for your "fave" Lds leader title of Christians and their church @...!]
Hey, as long as y'all "nice" Mormons continue to call us by any of these labels w/a "smiley" face, we won't be offended...and we'll continue to think of you as "nice" Mormon neighbors :)
Back to McConkie's Church of the Dead Tree:
So: if you think any of these actual titles that your leaders have had for our church hurts the overall LDS "PR" image, I suggest you simply "tone it down."
Just follow Brother Bruce's lead and reference us as "The Evangelical Church of the Dead Tree."
"For the preaching of the cross [the dead tree] is to them that perish, foolishness; but unto us which are saved, it is the power of God." (1 Cor. 1:18)
"But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross [the dead tree] of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world." (Gal. 6:14)
Therefore, I am not ashamed to be associated with The Worldwide Church of the Dead Tree--for it is the gospel (the "good news"). The "good news" is not an elaborate "system" of every belief under the Mormon sun that a 12-year-old LDS "deacon" is supposed to know before he dies. It's not every law, commandment, ordinance, precept, etc. in the LDS "scriptures;" it is simple trusting in/knowing the true God and the true Jesus Christ (John 17:3).
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth [LDS note: It doesn't say to "everyone that worketh" or "everyone that obeyeth"]..." (Rom. 1:16)
Signed
Ex-Proud but current member of the Church of the Dead Tree, where My Savior's Blood was shed as One Who...
...Died for my...
...Pride,
...Flesh,
...Guilt,
...Actions intended to "convince and change" a Divine Mind who already knows everything about me and my heart...
...And yet, surprisingly, doesn't love me any less.
“As Christ said, if they are not against us, they are for us”
But they are against us. And they are against the Christ of the New Testament. Think of this in terms of disease. Which would you rather have? An open virus trying to take you down outright, or a virus that can disguise itself as part of your own system, thus bypassing your immune response? Or put another way, what did Jesus warn against? Atheist communists or false christs? Isn’t the wide acceptance of false christs something Jesus predicted as characteristic of the end of the age? Doesn’t that worry you a little more than garden variety secular tyrants? It does me.
On a pragmatic basis, even if you don’t buy the theological argument, I guarantee you Romney is in fact against us in terms of conservative policy. I worked for a constitutional law firm in Virginia during Romney’s governorship of MA, and we were getting calls from people, good Christian people of conscience, who were being driven against the wall by the Romney administration for trying to live out their Christian beliefs regarding the sanctity of life. His “conversion” story on that issue is not to be believed except by the most gullible amongst us.
So even using your own premise, Romney is still not someone a Christian can in good conscience support. If that makes the choice in November difficult, too bad. Christians have often been confronted with extraordinarily difficult choices. It goes with the territory. This world is not our final destination. If this “kingdom” falls, there is another.