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To: Kartographer
That works out to about 1500 rounds per agent in one investigative report posted here on FR... and another stated it was 2500 rounds (one had a different number of “qualifying” agents). These agents have to qualify with a weapon and unlike the present Military (who BTW are in the process of phasing out the 9mm Beretta) they use .40 semi autos with hollow point projectiles. You practice with what you carry.

I myself have burned through over 2000 rounds of .45 ACP and 2500 rounds of 5.56 in an afternoon's shooting. These are not fragmentation rounds... which would shred tissue badly... but these are jacked hollow points and they are designed to exert all of their energy into the body... by utilizing their quick expansion properties... but it can be affected at range by heavy clothing and light armor.

One last point... the actual order for these bullets has a statement in it that says that they can purchase up to 450 million rounds at contract price... not that they will. This is a multi-year, ongoing supply contract.

LLS

10 posted on 04/06/2012 6:17:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yep. People generally don’t know how much of the stuff you burn in any serious shooting.

Btw, is there still a sellers market for ammo like .45acp in the US? What about longrange hyper performance hunting ammo?


22 posted on 04/06/2012 7:40:04 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: LibLieSlayer
I myself have burned through over 2000 rounds of .45 ACP and 2500 rounds of 5.56 in an afternoon's shooting for serious practice.

You have to be working pretty hard to go through that kind of ammo in an *afternoon*.

The government probably provides the ammo for the qualifying, but I suspect agents buy their own ammo for practice. And your example of ammo use in one afternoon hardly translates into a model of every gun toting agent.

I'd like to see how many personnel are actually carriers and have to qualify. There is a whole lot of information we are having to extrapolate in this debate. A lot of assumptions being made.

The biggest mistake everyone makes is that they take individual or a few examples and make that into everyone in the relevant domestic agencies. It is a fallacy of logic to go from the micro to the macro.

25 posted on 04/06/2012 8:01:18 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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