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To: STARWISE

I’ve been reading a lot of claims that the wound on the back of Zimmerman’s head proves he was hit from behind by Martin, thus proving that Martin started the fight.

Some of the same people are claiming that when Zimmerman fired, Martin was on top of him, banging his head on the concrete.

Unfortunately, claim B pretty much disproves claim A, as the head/concrete interface is a much more likely cause for the head wound.

Which puts us back into having little or no evidence as to who started the fight. A highly relevant point, as a person who starts a fight cannot then generally claim self-defense if he kills the other guy because he’s losing.

I do not, of course, know that is what happened. But then neither does anybody else. Except Zimmerman, and his recollections, even if 100% honest, are inevitably affected by his POV.


34 posted on 03/31/2012 10:49:36 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
A highly relevant point, as a person who starts a fight cannot then generally claim self-defense if he kills the other guy because he’s losing.

Not true, under Florida law:

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.

—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

36 posted on 03/31/2012 10:54:50 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Sherman Logan

From what has been leaked whether true or untrue, Trayvon came up behind Zimmerman and asked if he had a problem. Zimmerman said something back like No and Trayvon said you do now and sucker punched him which knocked him down. This is what gave Trayvon the ability to jump on top of him and started banging his head on the sidewalk. Getting hit in the nose causes a disorientation in itself (probably worse if the nose ends up broken) as I’ve heard it was.

During the scuffle on the ground as Zimmerman was trying to push himself away from the pavement and onto the grass probably knowing that his skull would not survive much more abuse, his shirt came up showing the gun. A fight ensued over the gun. Guess who won!

This is my take from all the little leaks that have been thrown out there none of which should be taken as what is real. We really need to wait for the police to complete the investigation and/or have their day in court.

It would have been in the best interest of Trayvon if he had just not been a punk and talked with Zimmerman explaining why he was in the neighborhood. I’ve had white weird dudes walking my street and I wonder what the heck are they doing out there. I’ve never seen that person before. It’s natural instinct to wonder what someone is up to if they are just roaming around. I wish everyone would just stop making everything out as being profiled. I don’t care what color you are - if you are walking my street and I’ve never seen you before, I am going to watch you like a hawk. Period!


62 posted on 03/31/2012 5:24:31 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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