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To: Smokeyblue; Danae
because we are all to stupid to understand your SO HIGHLY COMPLEX THAT YOU MUST BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO UNDERSTAND IT adoption theory.

If you keep talking like this I am going to conclude that you are right. I wouldn't call myself a rocket scientist, but this is the sort of thing I do for a living.

Flaw #1

He wasn’t President when his FIRST “forged” COLB came out. He was a candidate.

And it is this same COLB (not the Daily Kos version though) that Hawaiian officials later said was absolutely genuine. That ought to be a clue for you.

What other citizen gets to double check “alterable” PDF files sent to them with ALL the security features in place while checking for mistakes or objectionable information?

I would suggest that any of them who were using an attorney to go through a process amending or nullifying a previous adoption. How often does that happen do you think?

They won’t even give Duncan S. his sister’s long form birth certificate when he is legally entitled to it.

That is interesting, but not conclusive regarding Obama's PDF. Your "Flaw #1 is a big fat nothing.

Flaw #2

The White House says the PDF came second. It did not. It came first. That is the lie right there.

So? How is that a flaw with MY theory? I have repeatedly said that the PDF was first. How do you suppose they CREATE new fake birth certificates?

The security stamps were added to a computer file not a hard copy. Get it?

Absolutely. I've been saying the same thing all along. The White House lying is nothing new. They lie everyday about everything.

Why are they lying?

Because they are Democrats, and would get lynched if they told the truth.

Why are you making excuses for their lie?

Why are you accusing me of making excuses for their lies? Lying is the air they breath over there. Why are you so shocked that the lyingest liar in history is once again lying? Flaw #2 is also a big fat nothing.

Flaw #3

He has THREE forged documents floating around out there. Two birth certificates and one selective service record. And most likely a stolen SS#.

From what I have seen, it seems highly likely that his selective service application is faked, and his Social Security # ought not belong to him. The difference between these two things and his birth certificate is that as President, he can prohibit any cooperation for anyone looking into his FEDERAL records, but his STATE records are maintained in accordance with the laws of the pertinent state, which in this case is Hawaii.

In other words, he can't order them to just do what he wants, he has to get them to do it by going through a process which they will recognize as legitimate. Of course if you want to believe the alternative, (that Hawaiian officials are members of his cult and will break laws and endanger their own careers and freedom for their idol) then you argument has a different problem.

I am not going to go the "conspiracy" route unless the evidence is extremely convincing. Your Flaw #3 is a big bust in my opinion. This is exactly what i'm talking about, you aren't coming up with anything that really pokes a hole in the theory.

What would be an actually good flaw for you to point out would be an example of a recently produced long-form Hawaiian birth certificate that actually has a hand stamp and signature (Danae's?) so as to demonstrate that it is NORMALLY stamped rather than printed.

That wouldn't be conclusive, but it would certainly be a better flaw to point out than your non-sequiturs above.

Danae, is your document stamped by an actual stamp, or is the stamp just printed on like my birth certificate?

85 posted on 04/02/2012 6:27:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
And it is this same COLB (not the Daily Kos version though) that Hawaiian officials later said was absolutely genuine.

Show me a link to that fact. To my knowledge Hawaiian officials have never said his first or any other COLB was absolutely genuine. They've said they don't know exactly what that digital image on his "Fight The Smears" website represents and then only IMPLY that it may be the correct information.

If memory serves me correctly, his "Fight The Smears" website has an "advertising disclaimer."

Yeah, they're going for plausible deniability. Privacy laws and all. Hell, it's not like they would charge him with a crime even if he admitted posting a fraud. By the way, it's always the lackeys and lawyers who do Obama's dirty work. Obama is a pure as the driven snow and he has no knowledge of why these forgeries keep popping up and he's never posted his birth certificate on any website.

That ought to be a clue for you.

Until I see the link that is not a clue for me.

I would suggest that any of them who were using an attorney to go through a process amending or nullifying a previous adoption. How often does that happen do you think?

Great, you suggest. I guess we can all go home now. You are the Hawaiian law expert here. Hawaii can do whatever they want and call it legal according to you especially if some judge approves it. I'm waiting for their Bozo The Clown birth certificate written in crayons and magic markers.

Giving access to the security features defeats the point of the security features but Obama is special. They have special rules for him according to your theory.

By the way, Butterdezillion explained the process for adoptions in her post above. I noticed that you didn't respond to her. She has done A LOT of research regarding Hawaiian birth laws.

They have repeatedly broken their UIPA laws. Blatantly so. Sorry, I don't trust them to do things legally when they have been so upfront in their lawbreaking. Not to mention Hawaii jerking Duncan S. around. They get a judge to change the meaning of the laws to suit their purposes and deny him what is rightfully and legally his. Democrats are allow to do this. There is your "legal illegalities" concept in action.

In addition, the vexatious requestors law, and "attempted Obama was born here law" and "the NOBODY can get a long form birth certificate anymore because of Obama" law?? makes me think they are covering for their illegalities.

Since we don't know who is responsible for creating and posting the PDF it remains to be determined what actual laws were broken and by whom. The Cold Case Posse is the best source here. They say "probable cause for forgery." That is where we are at. They see probable cause for ILLEGALITIES you don't.

The White House lying is nothing new. They lie everyday about everything. Because they are Democrats, and would get lynched if they told the truth. Lying is the air they breath over there. Why are you so shocked that the lyingest liar in history is once again lying?

Why are you so shocked that a large number of liars do criminal things? Especially Democrat liars.

that Hawaiian officials are members of his cult and will break laws and endanger their own careers and freedom for their idol) then you argument has a different problem.

Payoffs, bribes, coercion, threats? Who knows. They've managed to coerce the entire media into a lock-down on this topic

They've managed to get the military to throw one of there own in to Leavenworth for even daring to ask any questions about eligibility. You wrote a wonderful post about it in the past as I recall.

I didn't say that Hawaii has done anything for Obama. You are the one who is suggesting that they gave him special treatment and access to a PDF file, not me.

For all I know, Hawaii gave his lawyer documents stating he was only registered in Hawaii or a document with "amended" stamped all over them and someone outside Hawaii created the PDF.

I don't make the leap that what Hawaii gave his lawyer is what wound up on the website. That is the WHITE HOUSE STORY which a demonstrable lie.

I don't have time to respond to all the other points in your post. I'm just trying to squeeze in this response.

Look, we are actually on the same side (birther-wise) and it is pointless to go round and round here. Time will tell who did what and whether they will be able to or not be able to get away with. At this point it's all guessing anyway.

89 posted on 04/02/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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