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To: nathanbedford
It's circumstantial.

Found in a library in Boston was a governenmnt compilation of INS entries for the past few years (this document covers 1961 to 1963). It lists the counts of entries from other countries.

In 1961, there was only 1 entry of a person from Kenya whose parents requested statutory citizenship for the child, meaning the child was born abroad in Kenya to an American parent now requesting citizenship for the child.

The initial reaction is that that 1 person was Obama.

The document hunt is now on for any other records related to that entry of a count of 1 arriving from Kenya in 1961.

-PJ

43 posted on 03/23/2012 11:47:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; Red Steel; Ronin
As I thought, nothing here which explicitly connects these documents to Obama. Therefore the ringing assertions on this thread are perhaps premature.

Seems to me that there is enough here to justify further research in an attempt to connect this document somehow to Obama. As of now we have virtually nothing.

To slightly change the subject, I am confused about the assertions in the article which seemed to be internally inconsistent:

"Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured. COC are not issued to natural-born citizens or children born to non-U.S. citizen parents arriving in the U.S., nor are COC received through the same process as required for naturalized citizenship, according to the INS. " (emphasis supplied)

It is my understanding that citizenship for Barack Obama was not and could not have been automatic because under the statute obtaining at the time, he could not be an automatic citizen by virtue of birth to only one American parent when that parent could not have resided the requisite amount of time prior to the birth in the United States. Since Ann Dunham was only 18 she could not have resided in the United States a sufficient time in order to qualify her child if born abroad on August 4, 1961.

The quoted portion above says this about the document in question:

COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured

It seems to be talking out of both sides of its mouth. What is a "citizen alien?"

This document seems to suggest that it reflects the beginning of a bureaucratic process under which an infant is awarded United States citizenship (not natural born citizenship, of course) at the conclusion of the process. I do not know what the process entails but I assume that it requires submission of documentation etc. That would seem to indicate that a certificate of citizenship for Barack Obama would not have necessarily come from Hawaii in the form of a birth certificate but from the federal government in the form of a citizenship certificate.

Is this true?

I recall posting some time ago that under the Hawaiian statute certificates concerning birth might well have been issued on the affirmation, virtually unsupported by any documentation, of a parent or grandparent of live birth at home. This would have been a way around a tedious and time-consuming process with the State Department by which Obama's mother or grandmother could have caused United States citizenship to be conferred on her child or grandchild born abroad.

If she did not go that route but obtained a Hawaiian birth certificate based on this document, the Hawaiian records, if they remained intact, would show a foreign birth. But a foreign birth is contrary to the express representations made by the Hawaiian officials in two separate press releases about the provenance of Obama's birth. We would then have to believe they are lying which is certainly possible but improbable.

If there is an inconsistency between the Hawaiian birth certificate and the data on this document such as place of birth, it would suggest that this document was not used in Hawaii but simply went into limbo. if that is actually what happened, Obama is not a citizen at all, much less a natural born citizen.

I'm not sure how this advances the cause except to note, as I have, that it warrants further investigation.


70 posted on 03/24/2012 12:54:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The initial reaction is that that 1 person was Obama.

So, he really was "The One" after all?

But if he were born in Kenya with a Kenyan father, surely he wouldn't be eligible for an automatic certificate of US citizenship.

If he were born overseas wouldn't he have to have two US citizen parents to be considered a US citizen from birth?

At any rate, there was probably at least one American couple living in Kenya whose child would more likely qualify as the "1" than Obama.

192 posted on 03/24/2012 11:34:52 AM PDT by x
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To: Political Junkie Too
The initial reaction is that that 1 person was Obama.

I have to admit to being lost. Is this the evidence we are talking about?If so,shouldn't there be a lot more than just this?

243 posted on 03/24/2012 4:42:51 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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