[nathanbedford]

Please have a look at my post #160 which outlines my understanding of the language. I don't know how important this argument is. I am locked into a fatuous argument about whether there is a conspiracy in Hawaii or whether Hawaii is capable of a conspiracy to commit electoral fraud on the United States.

I do not doubt the possibility of a conspiracy, I simply say it is not a likely scenario.

All of this must be considered in the context of public opinion and a court proceeding. The former has not been won with conspiracy theories so far and the latter has not been won for want of standing. Conspiracy theories do not help the latter either.

We both hold open the possibility that, assuming Obama's will last released certificate is a counterfeit, the Hawaii records can be the product of false representation rendering the president United States not only not a natural born citizen but not a citizen at all.

[hoosiermama]

Add the adoption(s), sealed adoption, annulled adoption, grandparent guardianship, etc.and HI may not know what they DO have in their records.

Ever do geneology with multiple people given the same or similar names?...We’ve got one person given multiple names with multiple parents/guardians.

Maybe his book should have been titled “Dream I had a father”

[edge919]

I am locked into a fatuous argument about whether there is a conspiracy in Hawaii or whether Hawaii is capable of a conspiracy to commit electoral fraud on the United States.

Part of what makes it fatuous is that your "outline" of the "commonalities of language" wasn't accurate. Your No. 3 said the "the doctor has "seen" the "original" birth certificate", but that's not what her statement said. It only said she "saw" that an original birth certificate was on record. This doesn't inherently mean she saw the certificate itself. She may have only checked a computer or ledger entry. The only time she truly claims to have looked at the original certificate is when she desribed it to Michael Isikoff as "half-handwritten." And you seem to ignore that I pointed out the statements made by the state could have designed to avoid becoming part of Obama's deception, so there's no need to decide whether Hawaii is capable of a conspiracy to commit electoral fraud. Plus, there also the possibility that these people are just incompetent.