Lord Monckton: ‘I’m no birther,’ but Obama birth certificate ‘plainly a forgery’

The Daily Caller ^ | March 22, 2012 | Jeff Poor

[iontheball]

On Dennis Miller’s radio show Thursday Lord Christopher Monckton, a former policy adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and an activist against global warming “alarmism,” went all-in on questioning President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

Monckton, the 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, hinted about his position on the issue in April 2010 at a tea party rally on the National Mall near the White House. But on Miller’s show, he said the birth certificate issue was far more important that combatting so-called anthropogenic global warming.

[visually_augmented]

Time stamps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE

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That video was in response to the 2008 document that Obama had released prior to his election. Are you aware of any similar information on the LFBC that he released in April 2011??

I had only heard that the layers of the LFBC were many more than what could normally be seen with OCR enabled.

But the video you posted is interesting that it shows a long-running history of fraud and forgery. I would even suggest that this initial forgery is what forced their hand in generating the second LFBC forgery...

[DiogenesLamp]

What about the idea that the document was combined by the state of Hawaii or the hospital? I.e. they have the certificate on microfilm and then they add a security layer to it? That explains two of the layers and may also explain a different time stamp as well.

You seem reasonable, and interested in understanding this issue. I will suggest an alternative explanation for what we have seen which makes sense to myself and some others.

You may not be familiar with Adoption. During an adoption process, the original birth certificate of the adopted child is sealed by court order, and resides in the state archives, but cannot be released without an explicit court order to do so. A new "replacement birth certificate" is created to give the adopted child a record with his new parents listed as his birth parents. The document is designed to look exactly like an original birth certificate from the time of birth, and the intent is to shield the adopted child from the knowledge that they are adopted.

I know whereof I speak because *I* am one of these adopted children. In my case, the adoption was no secret (I was five years old at the time) and I happen to possess both my original, and my replacement birth certificates. (So does my sister, who was also adopted)

I believe the long form birth certificate we are looking at was created BY the state of Hawaii's department of health because they received a court order to do so. I believe Obama was adopted back in 1965 by Lolo Soetoro (I have six pieces of circumstantial evidence which indicate this) and was later re-adopted, or the adoption set aside by his Grandparents in 1971 when he came to live with them from that period on.

Barack's lawyers have petitioned the court to either set aside his original adoption(s), and/or amend it/them to reflect what information he needed to be on his new document.

I personally suspect his ORIGINAL birth certificate was nothing more than an affidavit signed by his grandmother attesting that he was born at her home in Hawaii. I believe all the other information we have is what SHE (Madelyn Dunham) put down in her affidavit.

Hawaii DOH produces replacement birth certificates for Adopted Children every time an adoption occurs in Hawaii. They have the Records data base, (All those original documents) and the means to do so. Further, they have the LEGAL AUTHORITY to do so. The documents that a Department of Health produce are NOT INTENDED to withstand deep scrutiny. They are only intended to look real to the adopted child and any authority which needs a cursory examination of the child's document.

The Fact that Hawaii is standing behind the document as his birth certificate convinces me that this document (perhaps without the green anti-copy paper) is a product of the Hawaiian Department of Health, and is a defacto legal document.

It is a "forgery" as well, but when a fake document is produced by legal authority, it is not appropriate to refer to it as a "forgery."

That is my perception of what we are dealing with here.

[ILS21R]

If you think “verification doesn’t matter” to me, you don’t know me very well. I’ve spent my adult life digging into data, and I have almost 20 years experience with Photoshop. I’ll go where the evidence leads me.

No you won't.

It’s very simple. Show me why the BC could not have come out of an Optimize PDF function.

The Optimize PDF function does not break up a document in such a piecemeal fashion as in Obama's PDF. But keep embarrassing yourself. I'm enjoying it.

[DiogenesLamp]

Personally, I believe there is no Birth Certificate. On the odd chance one does exist, I'll bet it is the old Hawaiian canard, "The Certificate of Home Birth." An Hawaiian (wink-wink) institution that flourished for 60 years or so, this usually handwritten document is the attestation of witnesses and relatives that little Wong, Hiro, or Barry, was born in Grandma's pad down on Fungi Street. The truth of the matter is that Hawaii is awash with Filipinos, Chinese, Japanese, and Pacific Islanders of every sort who have this kind of documentation, usually issued several years after the fact of their birth is some far off land! If you're going to be POTUS, this would be a good thing to hide.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but I was not familiar with the Hawaiian "Certificate of Home Birth." I had always assumed there was such a thing, but I didn't know it was a ubiquitous as you imply in your message. I have ALWAYS believed Obama's original document is some sort of Affidavit attesting he was born at Grandma Dunham's residence.

My understanding of Hawaiian law is that you have up to a year to bring the child in to be examined by a doctor to complete the process, and that such doctor will "sign off" as the presiding physician during birth.

Do you have an example of one of these Hawaiian "Certificate of Home Birth" documents? I think it would be very useful in getting people to understand the concept.

I have read other articles alleging that Hawaii is running a clearinghouse for foreign born children getting American birth certificates. It makes sense to me that this sort of thing would occur given Hawaii's lax birth documentation laws.

[Claud]

That’s an entirely reasonable explanation, thanks.

I am interested here mainly in the limited question of the electronic document. So based on what you said, you do not think the electronic document was materially altered in the pdf the WH released, is that right?

[Kenny Bunk]

Diogenes, when this character first surfaced in 2007, I bestirred myself to hours of arduous research here in the bat cave.

The State of Hawaii started sort of half-heartedly cleaning up their pathetic Birth Certificate scams when they became a state (of sorts), nowadays, they're pretty much on the up and up (sort of).

A home birth certificate was a pretty much a walk-in dealie, with the "witnesses" signing the form, paying the minuscule fee, if any, and getting the thing stamped. So, lots of three-four-12 year old kids with brand new Birth Certificates!

Now the deal is much more sophisticated, with wealthy Chinese and Filipinos, Thais, etc. ad naus. simply getting tourist visas, coming in for the birth of their children, getting them American Birth Certificates, and then checking out.

Of course this a perversion of our laws, but really no more so than giving the offspring of illegal aliens citizenship.

But I digress. When it comes to Obama, all I can say with certainty is that "I know nothing." My friend, I am not supposed to. It is his plan. All I know for sure is that what HE says, just doesn't add up.

I have been agitating for one, just 1, state AG to get off his ass and do his job: part of which is removing suspect characters from the ballot. It is the only way to get Team Obama into court to be heard as PLAINTIFFS on the merits of the eligibility case. They throw unqualified people off ballots all the time ... why not in this case?

Let Obama sue. Let a court decide.

[ILS21R]

I believe the long form birth certificate we are looking at was created BY the state of Hawaii's department of health because they received a court order to do so.

Not likely.

In January 2011 Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president’s chances of re-election in 2012.

Yet, the Obama PDF has a change date of 2008.

This document was crafted by somebody within Obama's inner circle and held until it was needed.

[Claud]

Wow, hey, great way to win over a guy to your argument.

If you can’t convince someone who is politically on your side, then don’t you think you have some serious flaws in your strategy here?

So break it down for me real clear like. Like the dummy you apparently think I am. What *exactly* can’t Optimize PDF do that this document shows? What *exactly* is wrong with this guy’s argument?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXdtQ2FU4Ww

If you can prove it, I’ll believe it. If you want to spout insults instead of discuss facts, you can count me out.

Take your best shot. I’m listening.

[Kenny Bunk]

The Fact that Hawaii is standing behind the document as his birth certificate convinces me that this document (perhaps without the green anti-copy paper) is a product of the Hawaiian Department of Health, and is a defacto legal document.

Yes it is. But exactly what document? The HIDOH started by saying this was an "Abstract of Data on file." Over the months that has morphed. Now it's a "copy of the BC." Soon I suppose,it will become a "Certified Copy of the BC."

From the Department of Department of Prejudicial,
Politically Incorrect, and quite possibly wrong statements:

Hawaii is a very corrupt place, in which fundamentally simple natives have been completely overwhelmed by more sophisticated and very wily immigrant tribes who absolutely run the place for their own benefit, among which are some Caucasians.

[Kenny Bunk]

This document was crafted by somebody within Obama's inner circle and held until it was needed.

Ya think? Me, I'm still holding with my "Lost Dauphin" theory.

[Kleon]

Um, I believe “Lord” Monckton is just the latest character from Sacha Baron Cohen, the man behind Borat and Ali G.

[ILS21R]

What *exactly* can’t Optimize PDF do that this document shows? What *exactly* is wrong with this guy’s argument?

Exactly... Optimize cannot break up a document, such as Obama's scanned BC, in such a piecemeal fashion. Your video clearly shows what Optimize can and cannot do.

[Kleon]

The Optimize PDF function does not break up a document in such a piecemeal fashion as in Obama's PDF. But keep embarrassing yourself. I'm enjoying it.

It does if the document is not pristine, as is the case with a decades-old birth certificate. You can see where some elements of the document were too light and were scanned as the background image.

[ILS21R]

It does if the document is not pristine, as is the case with a decades-old birth certificate.

You're wrong.

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof 1 ( Layers )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

[SaraJohnson]

Hey Travis! This is a good man. He has single handedly smacked down the global warming liars on the International stage. He was mocked and hated as best they could conjure and he came out standing.

allah, wicked be his name, help Obama if Monckton takes on the issue of truth around Dear Reader’s dark background.

[WildHighlander57]

Diogenes,
If 0 didn’t also have a fishy selective service registration form, and a social security number from a state in which he didn’t reside, then if he had that kind of birth certificate, then what you said would fit the situation.

But then if he had been adopted by Soetoro, that opens up a whole other can o worms too.

[EyeGuy]

“Lord Monckton: ‘I’m no birther,’ but Obama birth certificate ‘plainly a forgery’”

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What does the LEFTIST created term “birther” connote stupidity? “Racism”? “Hate”?

Sorry Monckton fans, but that qualifier is cowardly and reeks of the self-congratulatory, nuanced,”intelligent” conservative, distancing himself from the rabble.

“Birther” = a supporter of the rule of law and the US Constitution.

[Claud]

Are you even watching the same video? It did break up the scan.

There are several layers in his Optimized file just like the BC. And more importantly, he could pull off different sections of text and move them around, and the text he moved left a white background behind. Just like the BC.

Give me one *specific* discrepancy in the BC which is not in an Optimized PDF.

[ILS21R]

Give me one *specific* discrepancy in the BC which is not in an Optimized PDF.

It can't do any of the things in this video. It's impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

[Kleon]

There's nothing unusual about layers showing up when you open the document in Illustrator. A computer expert recently scanned an employee's birth certificate and it showed up with as many as 40 layers. The "layers" are simply how Illustrator displays the parts of the document that were separated by the scanning process. They are separated, because certain elements, such as text, can be enhanced while other elements remain at the same resolution. This enhances readability while keeping the file at a reasonable size.