[Liar] Rossi Tells Florida Bureau He Has No U.S. Factory, No Nuclear Reactions

Look at my post #16.

Sorry, my Sarcasm-o-meter seems to be on the blink today.

You are experiencing Sarchasm.

That is the gap (or chasm) between the person being sarcastic and the person who thinks they are serious.

Sarchasm.

;)

I think the fact that people still believe in Rossi, would break anyone's sarcasm-o-meter; not to mention your belief-o-meter and your sympathy-o-meter which these unfortunate believers need after they're forced to concede that Rossi is a scammer.

I would like to know your take on this story. ***Ok, but when the seagull brigade chimes in, don't expect me to address anything they say. They'll get the same 'ignore button' posts as usual, so that no crickets are generated. Is there a reasonable explanation for the seemingly inconsistent statements by Rossi coming soon? ***The first place I look is on Vortex-L. For instance: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64163.html --------------------------------------------------------- Re: [Vo]:Krivit- Florida and Rossi-- Hmmmmmm OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson Tue, 13 Mar 2012 09:09:02 -0700 >> I think that this hasn t been posted yet: >> http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/03/12/trouble-for-andrea-rossi-and-his-e-cat/ > > Also posted here: > > http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Critics-Attempt-to-Damage-Rossis-E-Cat-with-Unfounded-Complaints.html > > http://tinyurl.com/7ln7n9o I was amused by one of the concluding remarks made by the writer, Brian Westenhaus, of OilPrice.com: ... > So here’s what you humble writer is thinking: This isn’t a > story about Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat. It’s a story about > Gary Wright, Steven Krivit, a bunch of follow along bloggers > and readers. There isn’t any E-Cat news. ---------------------------------------------------- If you're looking for reasonable explanations from Rossi, you'll be waiting a long time. Basically, the most inductively sensible explanation is that Rossi has a very compelling technology. He's developing it and it is likely to go into production in the next 2 years. It's even been stolen by one of his former partners, Defkalion. But Rossi is Rossi. He is incredibly dislikeable, inspiring his partners to steal from him rather than edify alongside. So... Rossi being Rossi, he seems to be playing this game where he makes exaggerated claims just enough for the usual skeptopaths to think he's a scam. That way he doesn't draw much attention from huge competitors like GE or Hitachi. But this ridiculous plan of his backfires when it draws the attention of authorities. Now, Rossi being Rossi, he's had some very negative experiences with authorities who are in the back pocket of a competitor, so he basically stepped in it right here. Rossi probably lied to the investigator. It is fascinating to see where the line gets drawn: All the materials used in LENR are non-nuclear, and they generate no long-living nuclear byproducts, so you could easily say that to an investigator and send him on his way. Note that all along I've been saying that this would be a good thing if the whole deal was chemical rather than nuclear, because then the NRC wouldn't be involved. So, here's Rossi's take: RE: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi Alan J Fletcher Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:36:00 -0700 Claud March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 PM Dear Andrea can you please give us your version of the Florida Bureau inspection referred on some site ? Thank you and good afternoon. C.R. Andrea Rossi March 11th, 2012 at 3:35 PM Dear Claud: There is not “my version” , there is only one version of the Florida Bureau inspection at Leonardo Corporation, as a matter of fact it is the version derived from the actual facts: We have been very glad to receive their visit and we have explained to them all we had to. We agreed with them that we will keep them informed of all our developments and also explained to them that we do not use radioactive materials and do not produce radioactive materials. The persons we talked with are very prepared and expert, they have been right and correct, and I have been honoured to deal with them. What we said beyond this is confidential and I have nothing to add at all. I give no information at all regarding our factory, as I always said, until our production will be officially announced. I can say, and I am delighted to say this, that the Officers of the Florida State I have been contacted from are glad that we are making jobs in Florida with a company that respects the Law. Of course they will have free access to us in our Florida site, also to verify that we do not use radioactive material and we do not produce radioactive material and, also , we agreed that we will not sell in the USA the domestic E-Cats before the due certification, that will certify that no radiations are emitted from the E-Cats outside the body of the E-Cats while they are working. Warm Regards, A.R. -Or- Are you off the Rossi/E-cat bandwagon in the face of yet another straw of con-man behavior? ***Your statement assumes I was on the Ecat bandwagon. Please note that I was posting LENR articles before Rossi showed up and I'll be posting LENR articles after Rossi goes away, whether he turns out to be a fraud or a brooding genius like Thomas Edison. But to address your question, yes, my scam-o-meter has been going back towards scam. Basically at 50% scam-o-meter you can't decide, and to the left is red [SCAM] and to the right is green [goodbye oil dependency], I'm at about 65% green for Rossi and 99% green for LENR. My Rossi scam-o-meter keeps inching back towards the red. Is there a possible 3rd choice? ***I don't know. There probably is.

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I would like to know your take on this story.
• ***Ok, but when the seagull brigade chimes in, don't expect me to address anything they say. They'll get the same 'ignore button' posts as usual, so that no crickets are generated.

Is there a reasonable explanation for the seemingly inconsistent statements by Rossi coming soon?
***The first place I look is on Vortex-L.
> So here’s what you humble writer is thinking: This isn’t a > story about Andrea Rossi and the E-Cat. It’s a story about > Gary Wright, Steven Krivit, a bunch of follow along bloggers > and readers. There isn’t any E-Cat news.
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If you're looking for reasonable explanations from Rossi, you'll be waiting a long time. Basically, the most inductively sensible explanation is that Rossi has a very compelling technology. He's developing it and it is likely to go into production in the next 2 years. It's even been stolen by one of his former partners, Defkalion. But Rossi is Rossi. He is incredibly dislikeable, inspiring his partners to steal from him rather than edify alongside.

So... Rossi being Rossi, he seems to be playing this game where he makes exaggerated claims just enough for the usual skeptopaths to think he's a scam. That way he doesn't draw much attention from huge competitors like GE or Hitachi. But this ridiculous plan of his backfires when it draws the attention of authorities. Now, Rossi being Rossi, he's had some very negative experiences with authorities who are in the back pocket of a competitor, so he basically stepped in it right here.

Rossi probably lied to the investigator. It is fascinating to see where the line gets drawn: All the materials used in LENR are non-nuclear, and they generate no long-living nuclear byproducts, so you could easily say that to an investigator and send him on his way. Note that all along I've been saying that this would be a good thing if the whole deal was chemical rather than nuclear, because then the NRC wouldn't be involved.

So, here's Rossi's take: RE: [Vo]:Florida Investigates Rossi Alan J Fletcher Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:36:00 -0700

Claud March 11th, 2012 at 3:21 PM Dear Andrea can you please give us your version of the Florida Bureau inspection referred on some site ? Thank you and good afternoon. C.R. Andrea Rossi March 11th, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Dear Claud: There is not “my version” , there is only one version of the Florida Bureau inspection at Leonardo Corporation, as a matter of fact it is the version derived from the actual facts: We have been very glad to receive their visit and we have explained to them all we had to. We agreed with them that we will keep them informed of all our developments and also explained to them that we do not use radioactive materials and do not produce radioactive materials. The persons we talked with are very prepared and expert, they have been right and correct, and I have been honoured to deal with them. What we said beyond this is confidential and I have nothing to add at all. I give no information at all regarding our factory, as I always said, until our production will be officially announced. I can say, and I am delighted to say this, that the Officers of the Florida State I have been contacted from are glad that we are making jobs in Florida with a company that respects the Law. Of course they will have free access to us in our Florida site, also to verify that we do not use radioactive material and we do not produce radioactive material and, also , we agreed that we will not sell in the USA the domestic E-Cats before the due certification, that will certify that no radiations are emitted from the E-Cats outside the body of the E-Cats while they are working. Warm Regards, A.R.

-Or-
Are you off the Rossi/E-cat bandwagon in the face of yet another straw of con-man behavior?
***Your statement assumes I was on the Ecat bandwagon. Please note that I was posting LENR articles before Rossi showed up and I'll be posting LENR articles after Rossi goes away, whether he turns out to be a fraud or a brooding genius like Thomas Edison. But to address your question, yes, my scam-o-meter has been going back towards scam. Basically at 50% scam-o-meter you can't decide, and to the left is red [SCAM] and to the right is green [goodbye oil dependency], I'm at about 65% green for Rossi and 99% green for LENR. My Rossi scam-o-meter keeps inching back towards the red.

Is there a possible 3rd choice? ***I don't know. There probably is.

That is interesting. Thanks for your reply.

Comparing Rossi to Thomas Edison...That puts Rossi in some very rare company.

I think it is important in science to decouple the science from the scientist, as you are doing (a tiny bit) with Rossi and LENR. Rossi could enable the decoupling of this technology from his tarnished name with a simple independent test.

Until the technology Ecat/science LENR is decoupled from Rossi, I am pegged on scam for Rossi and open minded on LENR, as a practical energy source, pending scientific evidence.

Comparing Rossi to Thomas Edison...That puts Rossi in some very rare company.

Just because Edison was eccentric doesn't mean everyone who acts eccentrically is another Edison.

In particular, Edison has been a perfect excuse for con men who can't otherwise explain their behavior. As you noted, Rossi could clear things up any time he wants to, but he refuses to do so. The notion that he is somehow being a shrewd businessman by making himself look like a con man is ridiculous.

He is following the exact same script as every other "free energy" con man in history (going back at least to the 1880s, that I've found). Here are some of my favorite examples. Read them and you'll be amazed at how much their scams look like what Rossi is doing!

John Keely. He ran a "free energy" scam for over 20 years in the late 18th Century. His story is so much like Rossi's, it's scary.
Carl Tilley. Notice that Sterling Allan was a big supporter of Tilley, just as he was with Rossi, until he finally realized that he had been duped.
Madison Priest. Note that Priest conned tens of millions of dollars from such companies as Intel, General Dynamics and Blockbuster Video.

"Is there a reasonable explanation for the seemingly inconsistent statements by Rossi coming soon?"

Actually, yes. The hypothesis that fits more of the total data set than any other is that Rossi has indeed made a breakthrough in LENR, and is also running a scam......but the people being scammed are his potential and actual competitors. Johnny B. and the rest of the skeptopaths will not have any other idea put forth than "Rossi is a crook, and everything he's ever done has been one scam or another".

The hypothesis that fits more of the total data set than any other is that Rossi has indeed made a breakthrough in LENR, and is also running a scam

LOL! Wow, you're going down swinging!

That's a ridiculous theory. If he really had a breakthrough in LENR there would be no reason to run a scam company to try to profit off of it. That is a very paranoid way of thinking.

None of Rossi's dog & pony shows were sufficient to eliminate the possibility of fraud. Given that all of his business dealings are obviously fraudulent, the most reasonable theory is that the invention part is fraudulent as well.

But some people never learn.

"Rossi is a crook, and everything he's ever done has been one scam or another".

Well, that is a true statement.

Petroldragon was a fraud. The Thermoelectric Convertor for the Army never worked, even though Rossi allegedly did some testing at the University of New Hampshire (for which there are no actual records) claiming that it did work.

He was a jewelry manufacturer in Italy in between Petroldragon and the Army, but even that got him in trouble for forging gold sales documents.

And there's the phony engineering degree from the diploma mill.

Yup, that pretty much covers it.

I have read most of these (thank you). I personally consider Rossi to be a (repeat) scam artist.

His actions are those of a scammer, not of a scientist or engineer.

I would not put him in the class of Thomas Edison. If all this turns out to be genuine - then and only then.

Wow, Kevmo is growing up before our very eyes. He’s learned at least one HTML command, next thing you know, he’ll be forming words.

I didn't post the reply to you, and I'm not interested in anything you might have to say, on ANY subject.

"If he really had a breakthrough in LENR there would be no reason to run a scam company to try to profit off of it. That is a very paranoid way of thinking. None of Rossi's dog & pony shows were sufficient to eliminate the possibility of fraud. Given that all of his business dealings are obviously fraudulent, the most reasonable theory is that the invention part is fraudulent as well."

Only in your nutcase interpretation of the facts. There "are" other possibilities which you simply refuse to acknowledge exist. I suggest that you develop your own "seagull ping list", and then you and the rest of the skeptopaths can discuss scams. I'm interested in the science and technology of LENR, and not reading your speculations. Please, under no circumstances, post to me again.

You’re making all the Rossi fan boys cry today. LOL!

You’re making all the Rossi fan boys cry today. LOL!

Yup. You notice it's only the pathological "True Believers" who are trying to make sure that they only hear the stories that prop up their hero Rossi.

Worthog suggested I start my own ping list, but I think Kevmo ought to change the name of his to "Only Stories That Prop Up Rossi". That, at least, would be an honest name.

Wow, Kevmo is growing up before our very eyes. He’s learned at least one HTML command, next thing you know, he’ll be forming words.

And it only took him three tries to get it right!

Forget the ecat. I’m interested in Wonder Warthog’s reality distortion machine.

Even the mods are tired of hearing him whine. LOL!