GOP Needs Brokered Primary Now! Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee; Decide Final Nominee @ Convention

March 5, 2012 | FR Golden Gate

[Golden Gate]

This is NOT intended to be only a Rick Santorum thread.

GOP conservatives need to work together to prevail over Mitt Romney, who is the lame GOP-e candidate. Conservatives need to cinch / clinch the GOP nomination ASAP! For the final decision of who should be the actual 2012 GOP nominee, this should be an end-of-August national convention decision, and NOT a Spring primary decision. Conservatives and the GOP as a whole need the extra time to make the best final decision about the nominee.

Several weeks before the Iowa caucus, there was all of this discussion of having one candidate or another drop out. No suitable conservative candidate needs to drop out. The good idea that I had then but did not post, was to have the good conservative candidates work together and take turns in winning any primary that was "winner-take-all". Just make sure that conservative delegates go to the convention to make the best decision.

But it recent weeks, there are FReepers who are sounding an alarm and suggesting a reality check about the selection of delegates to the GOP convention. It may be only a few experts who understand the actual rules and process, and we novices may not be at all happy with the eventual results of the delegate selection process, or what can happen at the convention.

So with this in mind, I gave up on the idea of several good candidates sharing victories in the primaries in a effort to stop the GOP-e candidate. My idea for the last couple of weeks has been that GOP primary voters need to rally around one temporary placekeeper conservative candidate to win the nomination ASAP in March or April. Make it a done deal, and all conservative candidates, leaders and activists immediately begin the general election campaign.

The explicit understanding and gentlemen's agreement is that this temporary placekeeper `nominee' is only for the purpose to stop the GOP-e candidate(s) here in the primary, and hopefully at the convention.

The current conservative candidates, and all other conservative leaders and activists should immediately begin to challenge the Democrat leaders, candidates, and activists to discussions and debates. Don't brag about what a dream candidate might do in debates in the future. Have all conservative candidates and leaders begin to get the experience and prove themselves right now.

If we begin to do this now in March, then as we approach the convention we will have a very clear and realistic idea of who are truly the best nominees (Pres./VP) to represent the GOP in the general election. Again, let the final decision of the GOP nominee be a August convention decision, and not a Winter or Spring primary decision.

I understand the concept of party primaries. But there is continued talk that the GOP-e is more interested in defeating GOP conservatives than they are in defeating the Democrats in 2012. I have my ideas of an ideal primary process. I hope to present them for future reference. But the GOP-e party rules (and the various state election laws) may work against a good primary.

We don't know if the eventual nominee(s) at the convention will be strongly conservative. If there is an unacceptable GOP-e nominee, will this cause conservatives to implement third party contingencies?

There is all of this talk about "social issues". In some ways, our approach to this is rather lame. I know about the three-legged stool in conservative thought and politics. It is a lame example. Right To Life, for example, is a Founding Principle, and NOT a mere "social issue". We may need to have a table that has four or more legs, and our important Founding Principles need to be the first leg.

The public, the Democrats, and the media, all consider Rick Santorum to be the most well known and outspoken for right to life. That is the primary reason I suggest Rick be designated as the GOP conservative's temporary placeholder `nominee' to cinch the nomination as soon as possible.

There are candidates who eagarly or relucantly say "Yah, I'm pro~lyfe, ...now can we talk about something that is really important..."

Here in the primary, I would like to see conservatives make a strong presentation of right to life and other important conservative principles. If we can not effectively and successfully present our conservative message to all of the American public in the next five and half months before the convention, then maybe we don't deserve the strongest conservative as our nominee for 2012. And, the convention delegates may not want to select a strong conservative nominee.

What we should do now, is make a strong start, and make our best effort. Whether or not Rick Santorum is the eventual official nominee is immaterial. That should be a convention decision. What is important now, is first to use a placeholder to secure a conservative nomination now in March or April. And also, to immediately begin making a strong start in general election mode, and presenting our best conservative message to the American public. We can not waste precious weeks and months limiting our efforts to only GOP voters. And again, no suitable candidates need to drop out.

I also think that conservatives continue the bad habit of being way too focused on specualtion about the power and future success of various dream candidates. Don't wait for the general election. Last summer or fall the conservative candidates and leaders should have begun to challenge the Democrat leaders, candiates, and activists to discussions and debates. Don't brag about what a dream candidate might do in debates in the future. Have all conservative candidates, leaders and activists begin to get the experience and prove themselves right now. In addition to debating on a national presidential level, our prime conservative leaders and candidates should now also be willing to discuss and debate the issues with Democrat candidates on a state and local level. Start now, there is no time to waste.

Voters in the Super Tuesday GOP primary should cast their vote for Rick Santorum, so that conservatives can secure the GOP nomination ASAP!

[Golden Gate]

Your preference duly noted. I consider NG an option, but at this time he is not my preference.

My message to him and all candidates... they need to campaign to the general public to show that they have suitable support with independents, moderates, and even some Dems; so we know that a nominee can run a viable campaign in the fall.

[9YearLurker]

And you really don’t think the MSM, Obama and the Dems would make Rick Santorum—he who would use the presidency as a bully pulpit to speak out against contraception—completely radioactive to moderate and independent women by this fall?

[Golden Gate]

AND - I want to say more of why I think we should all “Rally 4 Rick!” (pending) - Even if this deal were made, even Rick would have to use the next 5 months to prove that he was ready for the general election, and the WH! If he were not viable with the US public, then conservative delegates would have to decide who is.

[9YearLurker]

Maybe he seems particularly wrong for what you’re proposing given how he’s been snide about Sarah Palin and the tea party and really doesn’t have any record of building coalitions and getting deals done the way Newt at least does.

[jersey117]

Santorum will get demolished in the general. The left will throw everything they have at him. They will even try to tie him in with Rush and the contraception issue. The Chicago mob will stop at nothing. No way Rick gets the independents.

[Golden Gate]

- For this “Brokered Primary Now!” thread -

Rick Santorum 2012 FReeper HQ !Admin @Post - - - - *!!RRSS*

Roll Call! Post Here -

(Note: NOT related to FR Admin)

[Golden Gate]

- For this “Brokered Primary Now!” thread -

Newt Gingrich 2012 FReeper HQ !Admin @Post - - - - *!!NNGG*

Roll Call! Post Here -

(Note: NOT related to FR Admin)

[Golden Gate]

Are FReepers going to `lead the way’?

Come on Folks, - Let’s make a deal!

[RitaOK]

Looks like a Santorum thread to me. LOL!!!!

The Santorum strategy over the course of the last several days has desolved into writing op eds and whining at Newt, who is busy with a surge in the making.

Fat chance of Newt getting out. Let’s just hold our horses and count “committed” delegates after Super Tuesday, Alabama and TEXAS.

Reportedly, Santorum has yet to win an actual PRIMARY! Caucas maybe’s (un-committed) are still among most of his delegates or nearly most.

Same story in Tennessee - with few to none in “committed” delegates. Not so with Newt.

[Golden Gate]

Quick general answer - I expect ALL candidates are going to have one problem or another w/ the media...

AND, it is not just the candidates problem, it is OUR / conservatives problem. Not just what are they going to do; but also what are we going to do to help them? (IF we are inclined to help a particular candidate.)

Oh, did you say “radioactive”? FR HAZMAT can deal with that, - Yes? Do you want to take the lead in organizing that?

If so, make an Anchor Post or a separate thread and let’s go to Work!

[Golden Gate]

NOTE: The original post does NOT want any suitable candidates to be “getting out”. We need suitable candidates, leaders and activists to be actively campaigning from now thru to Nov.

If you want Rick to yield, give it your best, let’s hear it. I don’t know if there is time to make a deal for Super Tuesday. But we can start the process here; before it is too late.

FYI - Post #47 is an “Anchor Post” for NG HQ for this thread.

[Golden Gate]

14 was deleted, so I don’t know what was said.

>> “night of the loser strategies”

If there is a good conservative candidate that is going to prevail, - good. If not, let’s make a deal, so we conservatives... ~ get/keep possession of the ball.

[LeopoldvonRanke]

Paul hasn’t beat Romney anywheres.

It’s a bit harsh, but the Paul vs Romney head to head favors Romney. Pushing Paul to defeat Romney just isn’t going to work.

[Golden Gate]

Super Tuesday Bump!

[Golden Gate]

THIS Post 55 Says It All!   (On the "Brokered Primary Now!" thread...)

Brokered Primary Now! = Secure Conservative Nomination for the GOP Convention

Then use the next 5 months of campaigning to find the best Conservative Nominee.

As the title says:

*1. GOP Needs Brokered Primary Now! (with emphasis on Primary, Now!)
*2. Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee;
*3. Decide Final Nominee @ Convention

Further...

1. Good Conservative candidates do NOT need to "drop out". Lot's of work to do.
2. Make a deal - Support & Vote for Rick as Placekeeper - Secure Nomination for Conservatives; make best decision of actual nominee at the Convention.

   The explicit understanding and gentlemen's agreement is that this temporary placekeeper `nominee' is for the purpose to stop the GOP-e candidate(s) here in the primary, and secure the Conservative nomination for the convention.

3. This is NOT a "loser strategy". This is conservatives showing ourselves, the GOP-e, and the public and the media that we can work together.
4. We need conservative candidates, leaders, and activists across this country to go into full general election campaign mode NOW! Don't wait for summer or fall.
5. We need to be sure that the actual GOP nominee has some basic appeal to and support of ALL Americans: independents, moderates, some Dems etc. Therefore...
6. Let the final decision for the best conservative GOP nominee be a Convention Decision, NOT a Primary election decision. Use the next 5 months of campaigning to the American public to be sure the GOP has the best viable nominee.
7. I know there are uncertainties about the "Open" Convention. GOP-e (GOP-establishment/elite) Party leaders and delegate selection rules, etc. So...

   7a. We are a Republic - We can't be afraid of a convention. 7b. Work together / make a deal, secure the Conservative nomination ASAP! w/ Rick S. 7c. If GOP-e Leaders want to try to strong-arm the convention, well then, too bad for them, the decision is made: The Conservative / Santorum Nomination will be SECURE.

Note: “Anchor Posts = @Posts” is an idea to try to organize our work and activism on FR threads.

1. Post specific info or communication to specific @Post
2. Click on “View Replies” for single channel of info or communication (if any).

Anchor Post 46: Rick Santorum 2012 FReeper HQ (For the "Brokered Primary Now!" thread)
Anchor Post 47: Newt Gingrich 2012 FReeper HQ

For any Official Statement from Rick or Newt: See Posts 39 & 40 (Click “View Replies”)

Can FReeper's Lead the Way? - Let's make a deal & secure the nomination ASAP!

GOP Needs Brokered Primary Now! Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee; Decide Final Nominee @ Convention

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[caww]

go third party around Newt and Sarah or West.

Oh yes!!!!!

[Golden Gate]

go third party around Newt and Sarah or West.

THAT would be "Third Party Contingencies" - If necessary.

Allen West - YES!!

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[Democrat_media]

No, not them ,Only Sarah Palin.

To me I have seen in Sarah Palin more of the “it” factor than I've seen in any one ever. It was her destiny. the media took it away from us.

One Sarah Palin to rule them all, one Sarah Palin to find them, one Sarah to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

[xzins]

I just voted for Santorum in Ohio yesterday and he lost by one lousy percentage point.

Meanwhile, Gingrich took 15 or so.

In short, Romney wins and conservatives look stupid.