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Hawaii Elections Clerk Tim Adams Says There is No Obama Birth Certificate from Hawaii
BBCW ^ | 3 March 2012 | Bungalow Bill

Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi

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To: philman_36

1. Yes - he refused to submit it and the judge was prepared to order a summary judgement.

2. So Obama would give the judge a paper copy. The plaintiffs would question it. To settle the issue, the judge or SoS would request Hawaii send them a certified copy directly. Easy to see how it would play out.

3. Don’t know if it was against the law. Do you think Obama cares?

4. He sent it to Kemp as a political message.

5. Pointing out political reality is not supporting it. There is an entire thread about how the media was threatened to keep the CCP out of the news. Do you think for a second that sending two BCs as a political message would bother Obama? He plays bare knuckled politics.

6. Two separate issues. He ignored the court. He send a message to the SoS.


361 posted on 03/08/2012 7:19:28 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

You really think they were not opened and looked at? What evidence do you have to support this?


362 posted on 03/08/2012 7:21:39 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
1. Yes - he refused to submit it...
So why would he refuse to show up and submit it? Why not just show up with it and be done with it? It doesn't compute.

2. So Obama would give the judge a paper copy.
Then why didn't he show up and do that?
The plaintiffs would question it.
Is that why he didn't show up with it?
To settle the issue, the judge or SoS would request Hawaii send them a certified copy directly.
The Defendant was ordered to produce evidence, not the State of Hawaii! The State of Hawaii had no obligation before the court.
Easy to see how it would play out.
I can imagine it playing out in a completely different way than that.

3. Don’t know if it was against the law.
And you don't care to know either, do you?
Do you think Obama cares?
He should.

4. He sent it to Kemp as a political message.
So you agree with the coercion of public officials?

5 and 6 aren't even worth responding to.

From earlier...Where have I threatened you?
Is today a day off for the Harlan of yesterday? You're far more...verbose.

363 posted on 03/08/2012 7:36:17 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
You really think they were not opened and looked at?
Well of course it was eventually opened up. Kemp sent a reply.

What evidence do you have to support this?
I never claimed they didn't open it up you dolt!
I stated that he couldn't know what he was being sent until the envelope was opened.

364 posted on 03/08/2012 7:39:42 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Don’t know if it was against the law.

@O.C.G.A. 16-10-94 (2010)

16-10-94. Tampering with evidence
(a) A person commits the offense of tampering with evidence when, with the intent to prevent the apprehension or cause the wrongful apprehension of any person or to obstruct the prosecution or defense of any person, he knowingly destroys, alters, conceals, or disguises physical evidence or makes, devises, prepares, or plants false evidence.

So what do you think now?

365 posted on 03/08/2012 7:54:51 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

How did he conceal his BC? He refused to participate in an administrative hearing and was prepared to accept a default judgement.

Since he willing to accept a guilty verdict then how can you say he was obstructing the prosecution? He made the prosecution’s job easier.


366 posted on 03/08/2012 8:12:29 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
How did he conceal his BC?
Did the Defendant present his original long form BC before the court as ordered so a judgement could be rendered?

Since he --- willing to accept a guilty verdict then how can you
say he was obstructing the prosecution?

You should really invest in another software program. The one you have leaves you hanging.

367 posted on 03/08/2012 8:23:21 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

1. Because he thinks he is above the law? Because his lawyer correctly anticipated the outcome if he didn’t show up? Because he doesn’t want to address the issue in 50 different states but wants one case that he can take to the Federal Courts for a single decision? Given time I am sure someone can think of others.

2. See above. Since things worked out to his favor, it looks like he had good legal advice.

3. Of course he should care. Why do you think Obama gives a rat’s ass about the law?

4. Don’t think it is right. Think it should be expected - do you think Obama will fight fairly?

I think I will avoid the personal stuff from now on - your soliloquy on zotting yesterday made me realize that I don’t know all the personalities involved here at FR. Safer to stick to the facts and arguments so thing don’t get out of hand.

Same old Harlan - I’ve been fighting a virus for a week or so and today is the first day I have felt good. I am by nature a verbose person.


368 posted on 03/08/2012 8:24:23 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
How did he conceal his BC?
And in case you hadn't noticed there are several aspects considered in that law, not just concealing something.
369 posted on 03/08/2012 8:26:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

How did not showing the BC change anything? There were two possible negative outcomes for Obama:

1. Show BC and get kicked off ballot.
2. Not show BC and get kicked off ballot.

Number 2 was the outcome until the plaintiffs opened their mouths.

So how did not showing the BC materially effect the outcome of the hearing?


370 posted on 03/08/2012 8:31:48 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
I think I will avoid the personal stuff from now on - your soliloquy on zotting yesterday made me realize that I don’t know all the personalities involved here at FR. Safer to stick to the facts and arguments so thing don’t get out of hand.
I just don't see it happening. Leopards don't change their spots.
371 posted on 03/08/2012 8:33:31 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Have you send a letter to the Georgia AG pointing this out? What do you expect me to do? I have already said several times that Obama has no respect for the law.


372 posted on 03/08/2012 8:36:21 AM PST by Harlan1196
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How did not showing the BC change anything?
Would showing the BC have changed things?

So how did not showing the BC materially effect the outcome of the hearing?
Would showing the BC have materially effected the outcome of the hearing?

You ask with rhetoric, I answer with rhetoric.

373 posted on 03/08/2012 8:38:03 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
Have you send a letter to the Georgia AG pointing this out?
Given his position and experience he should already know that.
It shouldn't have to be pointed out to him.

What do you expect me to do?
I expect you'll keep doing what you've been doing...defending the indefensible.

I have already said several times that Obama has no respect for the law.
You're not telling me anything I don't already know.

So why do you defend his actions so strenuously?

374 posted on 03/08/2012 8:43:07 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Showing the BC would not have changed the possible negative outcomes - he would have been off the ballot regardless.

He was off the ballot until the plaintiffs opened their mouths.

Accepting a default judgement means there is no hearing, which means there is no requirement to produce evidence. Which means there was no evidence to conceal. I don’t think any court in the land would say that “I am guilty” could be construed as an attempt to conceal evidence.


375 posted on 03/08/2012 8:54:15 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: philman_36

So it looks like the Georgia AG disagrees with your interpretation of the law.


376 posted on 03/08/2012 8:55:33 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
Showing the BC would not have changed the possible negative outcomes...
I don't see how you could know that so I'll chalk that up to your stating your opinion.
...he would have been off the ballot regardless.

Again, I don't see how you could know that so I'll chalk that up to your stating your opinion.

He was off the ballot until the plaintiffs opened their mouths.
How do you know that? Silence got them nothing and Malihi could have ruled any way he chose, as is evident.

377 posted on 03/08/2012 9:04:08 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Harlan1196
So it looks like the Georgia AG disagrees with your interpretation of the law.
More supposition.
378 posted on 03/08/2012 9:10:10 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

What other possible negative outcome was there. This was an administrative hearing - the only issue at hand was whether Obama was eligible to be on the ballot.

Only two possible results - on the ballot or off the ballot.

So you tell me - what difference would the BC make? On the ballot or off the ballot are the only two choices.


379 posted on 03/08/2012 9:11:25 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Harlan1196
What other possible negative outcome was there.
So obtuse.
Wouldn't a negative outcome have caused a ripple effect all across the nation and result in more than one State not allowing ballot access?
380 posted on 03/08/2012 9:17:13 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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