Posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
If the child was the progeny of grandpa and a hooker, and he wanted to ‘adopt’ the child, what better way than to have your daughter appear in Hawaii with a new ‘grandchild’ who is then left with the grandparents to raise? A granddaughter who had a meaningless ‘convenience’ marriage (to a man that was already married ) to give the child a legal ‘father’ ???
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This theory violates the premise of Occam’s Razor in my opinion.
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No, it doesn’t and ucansee2’s theory makes a lot more sense than the one fed to us by Barry in his book ‘Dreams’.
Why would Stanley Anne give up her first born child? Why did Gramps take Barry to black bars with porno on the walls? Why was Frank Marshall Davis so close to Barry? Why did Gramps take Barry around FMD who was a Communist and a sexual deviant. He takes porn and deviancy to a whole new level and this was Barry’s mentor? If you haven’t read Sex rebel I suggest you do. You can download it here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22472003/Sex-Rebel-Black-Memoirs-of-a-Gash-Gourmet-Frank-Marshall-Davis
Interesting poem by little Barry:
Pop
Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken
In, sprinkled with ashes,
Pop switches channels, takes another
Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks
What to do with me, a green young man
Who fails to consider the
Flim and flam of the world, since
Things have been easy for me;
I stare hard at his face, a stare
That deflects off his brow;
I’m sure he’s unaware of his
Dark, watery eyes, that
Glance in different directions,
And his slow, unwelcome twitches,
Fail to pass.
I listen, nod,
Listen, open, till I cling to his pale,
Beige T-shirt, yelling,
Yelling in his ears, that hang
With heavy lobes, but he’s still telling
His joke, so I ask why
He’s so unhappy, to which he replies . . .
But I don’t care anymore, cause
He took too damn long, and from
Under my seat, I pull out the
Mirror I’ve been saving; I’m laughing,
Laughing loud, the blood rushing from his face
To mine, as he grows small,
A spot in my brain, something
That may be squeezed out, like a
Watermelon seed between
Two fingers.
Pop takes another shot, neat,
Points out the same amber
Stain on his shorts that I’ve got on mine and
Makes me smell his smell, coming
From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem
He wrote before his mother died,
Stands, shouts, and asks
For a hug, as I shink, my
Arms barely reaching around
His thick, oily neck, and his broad back; ‘cause
I see my face, framed within
Pop’s black-framed glasses
And know he’s laughing too.
— Barack Obama
Saying it doesn’t make it so.
:)
Canada, Kenya, doesn’t matter which. IF you believe his father was Senior then he is not a natural born citizen. Not born in this country, father not a citizen, not eligible for the office, end of story.
Which brings up to me, the question, why would Stanley Ann go to all the trouble to marry some foreign guy, who was already married, and give ‘Barry’ a FAMILY, a FATHER, and then abandon little Barry to her parents?
Thanks for the poem. Now I feel like I have been licking the floor of a porno theater.
I think Hawaii is complicit in this cover-up (and have been for some time)
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I agree! It started in Hawaii back in 2008. Probably the night the lights when out while Barry was there vacationing, 12/2008, while at the same time, Rahm disappeared in Kenya for 2 weeks to go on a ‘safari’. Safari my a$$......The “fix” was done, the only question left was if the fix was done in haste and would be good enough to avoid detection.
In any case, the two newspaper advertisements indicate that those names are what were being used in 1961 anyway.
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What if someone found actual newspapers from that date, had them authenticated, maintained a chain of command, and little barry’s name was missing?
According to Barry, in “Dreams” gramps sure did like to hang out at black bars with porn on the walls and he took little Barry there with him. How many white grandfathers in the 60’s and 70’s hung out in black bars with walls covered with porn?
Here is my theory. The PDF file we see has that green anti-copy crosshatch on it, while the "physical copy" does not. The Green crosshatch was obviously added to the document last. (IMO)
I think the original PDF file was sent to the White House in an Email from DOH Hawaii, (or perhaps to Obama's Lawyer) and rather than go to the trouble of scanning the physical document (Which may be completely under the Control of Obama or His Lawyer to the point where he won't even let his staff have it) and then adding the green crosshatch, the dumbasses on his staff simply used the emailed copy, not knowing that it contained the evidence of it's creation within it.
I also don't think the staff at DOH Hawaii knew enough about computer technology to be aware that the file would contain the information used to construct it. I think people who tend to work in Government (in fields other than Computer Technology) are relatively ignorant and naive about computer technology. A member of an IT staff would have known about this problem.
As a result of ignorance on the part of DOH Hawaii bureaucrats, and as a result of ignorance on the part of Obama's White House staff, we were allowed to discover information that they didn't know was *IN* the PDF File. By the time they had been made aware of it, it was too late to do anything about it. (The Internet is Forever baby!) The only thing they could do was to pretend they hadn't done something stupid.
Does this explanation seem reasonable?
Thanks!
This may very well be true. I do not know what are the limits of modification which a Judge can Order, but I would not be surprised to discover a Judge can order every single bit of it be changed to whatever he says. Who is going to tell a Judge "No." ?
It is a very confusing issue. We are all somewhat confused. I am just trying to work out what makes the most sense to me.
If what you say is true, then why would the Obama team release an adopted birth certificate, since the only way to prove NBC status would be with an original?
I don't believe that Obama cares whether or not he is NBC, I think he only cares that the public thinks he is. I think he will release anything which he believes will allay public suspicion.
Did they think it would deflect just enough attention, or that it would distract truth-seekers for another year?
Yes. I think he has an original document of some sort that was created in 1961, but it may not say what he needs it to say. I have long suspected that his original birth document is a filed form of "at home birth" which was filled out by his Grandmother. (Meaning he could have been born anywhere.)
I find this theory very credible. I have long advocated a slightly different version of it. I thought Stanley Ann was sent to live with Aunt Eleanor Birkebeile (Known to be living in Canada in 1959, and later in Blaine Washington) or her Uncle Ralph Dunham, known to be living in North West Washington State, but a home for unwed mothers in Vancouver is also a good possibility.
I recall reading somewhere that it was indeed Stanley Ann's intention of giving him up, and I think I saw something about the Salvation Army as well. Does anyone else remember where the source of this information is? I'm thinking it may have been in Barack Sr's Immigration files.
I agree that it is very credible that Stanley Ann was in Northwest Washington/Canada during his birth. It makes more sense than any other explanation of which I am aware.
Absolutely.
Not so much as you might think. I have mentioned in the past that there are articles which say her co-workers didn't even know she had a grandson. Most women are proud to tell everyone about their grandchildren. Not mentioning it to her co-workers implies she was ashamed of him. I have seen better articles which support this point, but at the moment this is the only one I can find. It says:
Berry said she didn't realize Obama was Dunham's grandson until early this year while watching TV.``She was pretty conservative from my point of view so back then it would have been surprising'' to know she had a black grandson, Berry said. ``I would have thought: `I wonder what she thinks about that?'''
I would suggest if Madelyn Dunham was so ashamed of her black grandson as to not tell her coworkers about him, she would not likely have been interested in taking any pictures of a pregnant Stanley Ann, and of Course Stanley Ann couldn't have taken any herself.
It is reported that he stayed in an apartment in the same building as the Dunhams and that they paid for that and his travel while he was there.
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“It is reported”... the key words,by whom? Links? Credidble sources? I’m not sure he was ever there in 1971.
I’m not ready to go so far as to say that Hawaiian officials are corrupt
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LOL! Oh I am! I would bet on it.
Still “too young to know that I needed a race,” as he describes himself in Dreams, Obama was sent back from Indonesia in 1969 or ’70. Gramps Stanley Dunham began a bizarre project which involved introducing Obama to Frank Marshall Davis and making secret visits to Chinatown’s disreputable Smith Street bars – located one block away from Oka’s Corner Liquor Store. Obama describes the “excitement” of these visits in Dreams, page 77-78:
“Don’t tell your grandmother,” he would say with a wink, and we’d walk past hard-faced, soft-bodied streetwalkers into a small, dark bar with a jukebox and a couple of pool tables. Nobody seemed to mind that Gramps was the only white man in the place, or that I was the only eleven-or twelve year old. Some of the men leaning across the bar would wave at us, and the bartender, a big, light skinned woman with bare, fleshy arms, would bring a Scotch for Gramps and a Coke for me. If nobody else was playing at the tables, Gramps would spot me a few balls and teach me the game, but usually I would sit at the bar, my legs dangling from the high stool, blowing bubbles into my drink and looking at the pornographic art on the walls — the phosphorescent women on animal skins, the Disney characters in compromising positions. If he was around, a man named Rodney with a wide-brimmed hat would stop by to say hello. …”
Frank Marshall Davis too, described adventures on Smith Street at “The Green Goose,” a bar “operated by one of my friends.” Group sex and voyeurism at the Green Goose fill two pages in his pseudonymous porno book, Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gash Gourmet), published just before Obama returned from Indonesia.
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Have you read the entire book? That man a role model? I wouldn’t have let my kids within 20 miles of him. His books is one of the most degenerate, disgusting things I’ve ever read. He was sick.
That passage from Dreams, along with other things here and there, are what lead me to my theory on who and what O really is.
I don't regard it as a "conspiracy theory" I regard it as a series of events which someone took advantage of, after the fact. The explanation which I am offering seems to fit the available information better than any other idea of which I can conceive.
But to say there's "evidence" is tricky. That can mean anything from vague indications that your theory is not wholly impossible or implausible to hard factual documentation. So far, it's more the former than the latter.
I am pressed for time at the moment, but I seem to recall that there are about 7 pieces of evidence that indicate Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. Just a quick run down from my memory (i'll see if I can find the links later.)
1. Indonesian Law makes it automatic if under age of 5.
2. School records in Indonesia say his last name is Soetoro.
3. His Sister Maya stated that her father had Adopted him. (more or less.)
4. The Dunham/Soetoro Divorce Records claim that he had an 18 year old child who is dependent upon him for Schooling.
5. Stanley Ann Dunham's Passport paperwork for 1968 indicates that her son's name is "Barry SoeBarkah" which one blogger claims means "Son of Soetoro" in Indonesian.
6. When Lolo was being deported, they tried to get a stay based on his having a Wife and Son in America.
7. I forget the last one, or perhaps misremembered that there was more.
In any case, the first 6 make a pretty good circumstantial case that Barack was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. Enough that I think the burden of proof shifts somewhat to the other side. (Those who argue that he WAS NOT Adopted.)
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