Posted on 02/24/2012 11:24:32 AM PST by landsbaum
Looking through their owner’s agreement, I see you even have to sign a release if you want to install the front license bracket yourself.
Looks to me that they may have more attorneys on staff than technical types.
“new car new rules!”
Sorry, if it needs my tax dollars and taxpayer money supporting it to be labeled as a success, then it should not be on the market at all.
When you have to rewrite the rules to favor one particular politically motivated technology and have government picking winners and losers, the people lose every time.
Yeah, well, the ocblog-rag is basically just a re-blog of other blogs with little original anything, posted in one-liners to drive traffic to their rag by one of two identical posters. The ocblog-rag demands to be on the excerpt-only list (theyr are too precious have their material posted in full) but they suck the blood of our donors by posting one-liner after one-liner.
They are users. They suck.
And the landsbaummarklandsbaum posters never reply to anyone, they just keep posting and sucking.
Sorry for the rant. I’m just sick of bloodsuckers.
My cobra isn’t going to run out of oil just sitting in the garage. Tesla’s can and do brick if they sit on little or no charge. Face the facts.
I wouldn’t own one because I travel too much and can’t be there checking on the charger in Florida while I’m spending 6 months in Sweden.
It’s a messed up system. Despite your protestations to the contrary, we will be hearing more about this bricking in the years to come.
You ought not use the “if you can afford one” debate with me. You won’t fly too far.
Look, you have a logic flaw here. This isn't a passive sitting situation with nothing going on as in your IC Cobra. New rules! But I can't spend any more time on it. Stick with your Cobra.
The Stanley Steamer went by new rules too.
Where did it get them?
“New rules!”
Says who, the government?
Enviromental nuts?
“But I can’t spend any more time on it. “
Oh, I’m sorry we’re taking you away from important things, after all your taxpayer funded technological brick is just SO much more important and worthy.
After all, MY MONEY FUNDED IT FOR YOU.
"You can drive it for many years by simply plugging it in when needed, and performing maintenance once a year."
Sounds neat, but on it's own represents a half-truth deception. The phrase "by simply plugging it in when needed" actually means something closer to (nearly) "by always having it plugged in when not in use".
"Tesla routinely provides exceptional service that is above and beyond what people have come to expect.....In return, we ask that you remember to charge it."
More half truths:, translation: "In return, we ask that you nearly always be charging it when you are not using it."
False comparisons: "If you drive a gasoline engine with no oil it will fail completely and need to be replaced. The same happens if you drive without sufficient coolant or a broken fan belt and don’t heed the warning signs displayed by the car." And: "How complicated is that? If you go away leave it plugged in. I have house plants that need water. If I go away the plants still need water."
The electricity available in the batteries in an electric powered vehicle is equivalent to the gasoline/diesel remaining in the fuel tank in a gasoline/diesel powered vehicle. Therefore the ONLy valid comparisons with gas/diesel powered vehicles to what happens with the power left in the batteries of an electric vehicle that remains parked for some time is what happens with the power left in the fuel tank when a gas/diesel powered vehicle remains parked for some time.
"Oil", "coolant," "fan belts" and similar items unrelated to the remaining power/fuel in a vehicle are invalid for demonstrating comparisons, between different types of vehicles, of what happens with the power/fuel remaining in a vehicle when its not parked.
And, (more apples and oranges) comparing water for your house-plants - that will use up the water while you are gone, with Tesla batteries whose power is draining away while you are gone, is a valid comparison, with each other, but not with fuel that will remain pretty much where you left it in the fuel tank of a gas/diesel vehicle while you are gone.
The power equivalent, to the Tesla vehicles, for gas/diesel powered vehicles parked for an extended period of time would be as if their fuel tanks needed to be on an IV-drip while they were parked, And, given some of the additional "system" needs served by keeping the Tesla plugged-in, besides just keeping-up the charge, the gas/diesel powered equivalent might be a need to keep the engine idling.
"The earliest Roadsters will take over two months to discharge if parked at a 50 percent charge without being plugged in." And: "a Model S battery parked with 50 percent charge would approach full discharge only after about 12 months."
The truly equivalent comparisons: Will a gas/diesel powered vehicle, with a half-tank of fuel, lose the other fifty percent of the gas/diesel in the fuel tank if left idle for two months? No. After twelve months? No.
New vehicles can have all the new rules you want, as far as their own operations go. They don't get their own rules of logic, or valid comparisons of energy storage. Energy stored is a measurable thing, by science, not by salesmanship. The energy stored in a Tesla battery requires the electric equivalent of an IV-drip, if that energy is not being put to use. The energy stored in a gas/diesel fuel tank does not. It's that simple.
Thanks, well close might count here, LOL.
Looks like 80 yr old Pete Stark has that district.
It’s the perfect car for wealthy California liberals who want to impress their friends and neighbors with how green they are.
I suspect for most of the owners, 110 grand is pocket change.
And that they have a fleet of conventional luxury vehicles at their disposal also.
It is difficult to blame the MSM when their spew falls into the ears of the idiot masses.
“Here people, after you jack up that car, put the cinder block under it, that will work.”
We need the gene pool cleaned.
The batteries of the volt weigh the equivalent of a full tank of gasoline, and add that much weight to the car, but deliver only (at most) forty miles of energy for their weight.
The batteries of the Tesla, when full, deliver a longer range, at the cost of even greater weight than the battereis of the Volt.
Meanwhile, the technologies of the internal combustion engine keep, decade after decade, providing engines that weigh less with the same or more horsepower.
World fossil fuel supply and demand scenarios pressed against the technoligies of the internal combustion engine, just might produce demand and supply developments of internal combustion engines that pound for pound and dollar for dollar continue to remain more economical than electric vehicles (unless world socialims demands and obtains “free” electricity for everyone).
I am suggesting nothing less than the prospect that technology could conceivably make the internal combustion engine economical, compared to electric vehicles, even if gasloine was selling for $10-15 dollars a gallon.
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