Posted on 02/23/2012 7:32:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Hey, maybe they are right. But again, there is a whole “universe” of questions out there that the greatest of human minds has yet to even realize exists, much less have solid answers to them.
That’s all I’m really saying. String or Brane or any mumber of ‘quantum gravity’ unification theories are a hell of a long way from provable. And when they are, who is to say there won’t be some other force never imagined to throw the whole thing into chaos. Much like the wave/particle thing did not do long ago.
“too” long ago.
“It seems that you can use math to describe things that are simply not possible in this universe.”
And you can use natural language to describe things that are not possible....
Why should it be surprising that math can describe things that don’t or even can’t exist? We can do that with words. What is amazing is that math can be used to describe things that do exist, whether they are near or very, very far.
“Anyone thinking that in a couple hundred years of actual hard science, that we have done anything but scratch the surface of what is in reality is pretty arrogant or deluding themselves.”
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Ah ha! So that’s what Bill Clinton was trying to get at when he said “it depends upon what the meaning of is is”!
I probably shouldn’t have let that out, huh?
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And there we have it, the political motive for "Science" as a religion. But there is no conflict between "truths," and science as a method for discovery of facts becomes ludicrous without an underlying belief that truth is waiting to be discovered. As such, Science is a belief system when it is taken beyond a very limited scope as a method of investigation.
A religion, I might add, in conflict with a whole plethora of other religions in the world, though Christianity is not among them. The prevailing belief in nature as a creation of nature's God, the belief that truth was "there" to be discovered because it was created by the Christian God who equated Himself with "truth," was necessary for the modern scientific method to develop.
One of these days these humanists and atheists will get the status as a religion some of their more foolish believers claim to want. As it is, this "religion of non-religion" nonsense is getting a little stale.
When you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
A some point a wall will be reached that we will never be able to see through.
The best well be able to do is theorize and maybe predict what should be on the other side, but never directly prove without question.
May have reached the wall already with some things and have a way to go with others, but the wall is there.
We aint ever going to know everything there is to know about our reality, both macroscopic and microscopic.
Funny how Krauss and others will equate the vacuum with "nothing" when they want to claim there is no God, but then claim that the vacuum is "something" when they want to explain the mass of the proton, the mass of empty space, or the flatness of the Universe.
“All the planets are puppets controlled by strings.”
No, they are suspended from thin rods projecting from the big yellow one in the center. I learned this in school!
The String theorist suffer from the same mistakes the global warming lunatics, asteroid killed the Dinos, Dark Matter, Dark energy scientist make in that they rely on computer models instead of real observations.
Like with Dark matter, “Oh our computer models show the universe should have more mass, our models can’t be wrong therefore 90% of it must be invisible!!!”
Same with string theory. Our computer models can’t be wrong so there must be 10 invisible dimensions!!
Newton was sitting under an apple tree, an apple fell on his head, and he suddenly thought of the Universal Law of Gravitation.The apple is accelerated, since its velocity changes from zero as it is hanging on the tree and moves toward the ground. Thus, by Newton’s 2nd Law there must be a force that acts on the apple to cause this acceleration. Let’s call this force “gravity”, and the associated acceleration the “accleration due to gravity”. Now came Newton’s truly brilliant insight: if the force of gravity reaches to the top of the highest tree, might it not reach even further; in particular, might it not reach all the way to the orbit of the Moon! Then, the orbit of the Moon about the Earth could be a consequence of the gravitational force, because the acceleration due to gravity could change the velocity of the Moon in just such a way that it followed an orbit around the earth.
If you ask the average high school student today, they would probably think Issac Newton was part of some English rock band.
“. . . it also devotes a lot of effort to discussing the meaningless question of Why is there something rather than nothing?
I don’t understand why this is a meaningless question. If we knew the answer to it, I suspect everything else would follow.
“A some point a wall will be reached that we will never be able to see through.”
Godel’s theorem suggests your wall may move. It’s just that to move it, we have to accept additional facts as axiomatic. It also suggests that there is no point at which the wall will stop moving outward because there are always properties of a complex system that cannot be established from existing axioms.
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a band that only sold 10000 cds, but every buyer started a band.
There are limits on what we will ever know macroscopically and microscopically just by the nature (physics) of our 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension, that, to me, is the wall.
We can be axiomatic about those *beyond* properties as science learns more, but will never know with total certainty that's the way it really is.
That's all I'm saying.
Maybe good enough for some, maybe not for others.
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