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To: Danae
We need the definition covered on both sides -- (1) What one must be to be a natural(ly) born citizen, and (2) what must one not be to assure deselection re loyalties. Can he/she be in vitro fertilized to an otherwise childless couple? Are we at a point where paternity (or even maternity) ought to be proven by DNA be submitted for proof? What if the hypothesis of Frank Marshall Davis was really true and Obama Sr was just a stand-in? Hate to think about such things, but must look at it logically, not morally (Oliver Wendell Holmes' point of view). "Who is my father?" one could always ask. Used to be that "Who is my mother?" was never up for grabs (=how was Jewish heritage always certainly determined and passed). But -- now -- what? And -- in the future? Will we get clones?? Would certainly blur the reach of the Constitution ---
16 posted on 02/07/2012 4:42:05 PM PST by imardmd1 (Is. 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together," saith The LORD ...)
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To: imardmd1

The mother and father are who are listed on the birth certificate at the time of birth. In the case of in-vitro, the same still applies. Same with a sperm donor. It is who is listed. Funny thing for Obama is, if his dad was listed as the Easter Bunny, he would be an NBC. Assuming the Easter Bunny is an American citizen ;) that is.

In the case of adoptions, it is who the adoptive parents are. The laws really are pretty clear about that now-a-days.

Minor v Happersett clearly states that those born in country to parents who are it’s citizens are Natural Born Citizens. The reasons for SCOTUS not pursuing this particular POTUS is multifaceted. 1) First “black” POTUS found ineligible and removed by SCOTUS is gonna attract some serious antipathy from a certain segment of the population. 2) Having to eradicate all the BS laws the cretin signed is gonna be a nightmare. 3) all the international treaties which are now totally void, another nightmare. 4) all the money the bastard has stolen from US, the PEOPLE to give to his BFF’s in big business, wall street, and the auto industry, oh yeah and the unions, is ALL stolen money.... 5) then there is the constitutional issue of who succeeds him... is is Joe, or is it John Bohner?

This is why I have been calling this a constitutional crisis on the magnitude of the civil war. We have never faced it before as a nation and our Judicial branch is NOT handling it at all well.


18 posted on 02/07/2012 5:04:01 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: imardmd1; Danae
Are we at a point where paternity (or even maternity) ought to be proven by DNA be submitted for proof?

Bingo!

If we could only get a hold of some of his DNA and compare it to the families that are suppose to be his. Also, it would be great to find out if he really is half black as I could doubt it. He could just as well look Mid Eastern or Arabic. If he isn't African American (I have seen it said that the Obamas are actually Arabic transplants to Africa) how would all the blacks that voted for him because he is suppose to be black feel. At least they wouldn't riot if he was ousted. I really don't know who or what he is but sure would like to genetically find out.

23 posted on 02/07/2012 6:40:13 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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