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To: WXRGina
God repeatedly shows Himself concerned with "the collective." See His dealings throughout the Old Testament with Israel, and his destruction of evil-embracing groups of people--i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.

I can't deny that, but I will stick stubbornly to my point. The vengeful God of the Old Testament was replaced with a New Covenant of Love. The New Covenant requires individual salvation through Prayer, Grace and Faith.

Can a nation be saved, as in Washed in the Blood of the Lamb, collectively? That would be one gigantic Prayer Meeting. What about those in the nation who did not pray and who refused God? Would they be saved anyway?

74 posted on 02/07/2012 12:19:49 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; All
The vengeful God of the Old Testament was replaced with a New Covenant of Love.

God does not change. He is the same yesterday, today and forever--His words, not mine. We have a new convenant of grace for those of us who accept it, but that does not mean God will not still "heal their land" (See 2 Chron. 7:14)

I understand your point about individual salvation. My point is different. It is simply that God most certainly can and does act in favor of nations from time to time, as we have seen throughout history (our own included), and when a nation collectively turns its back on Him, He will turn His face away from that nation.

I believe you are missing my point. I already said God does not save a nation in the same way He saves individuals who give their lives to Jesus.

76 posted on 02/07/2012 1:12:27 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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