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To: Mind-numbed Robot; All

No, the Lord does not save nations in the sense of salvation to eternal life that He offers to each of us individually, but He does show favor to nations that acknowledge Him. I have no doubt that the Lord had everything to do with establishing the United States, and He caused us to do well for a couple of hundred years, because our Founders placed great importance on Christian morality in good government and God in His proper place above us.

Our culture began to disintegrate when we turned our collective backs on Him back in the 60s. That is what I meant when I said our nation must make a sharp, right-hand U-turn back to the Lord if we have any hope at all of stopping our slide into a communist totalitarian state.

Frankly, I don’t believe America will be spared at this point. With the widespread embrace of perversion and immorality in our culture and institutions (homosexual “marriage,” etc.) I do not believe God will smile on this nation moving forward.


69 posted on 02/07/2012 10:48:28 AM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: WXRGina

Our difference is simple. I am saying that God does not concern himself with the collective. He speaks to individuals. If the non-believers outnumber the believers a nation may destroy itself, but God does not destroy the nation. If our country is destroyed the believers will still be fine, simply through their faith.

A random thought which did not make it to my first post is - The gospel is simultaneously disarmingly simple and maddeningly complex. The magic key to unlocking it all is Prayer, Grace, Faith! Still, it is all personal.


71 posted on 02/07/2012 11:10:12 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: WXRGina

You wrote: “I have no doubt that the Lord had everything to do with establishing the United States..”

“On the one hand, the United States, more than any other nation, is flat and dusty old Kansas. But at the same time, it is Oz, the vertical and shining Emerald City on a hill. We must never forget either fact, one of them Real, the other only merely real.”

Excerpted from:

Tuesday, May 29, 2007
Sacrifice, Transcendence, and Vertical Recollection (Memorial Day)
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2007/05/sacrifice-transcendence-and-vertical.html

Memorial Day — like any holy-day — is not a remembrance of things past, but of things present; specifically, it is a remembrance of things surpassed, or of the things that surpass us. Specifically, it is an occasion for vertical recollection of a divine archetype that is present now — can only be present now — but requires the substance of ritual in order to vividly apprehend and renew it.

We remember our heroes because they illuminate the eternal realm of the heroic, a realm that we must treasure and venerate if we are to survive as a culture. Not only is the hero a transcendent archetype, but he is only heroic because he has sacrificed something in defense of another archetype — truth, liberty, beauty, the good, etc. In the absence of this true formulation, neither the heroic nor his sacrifice make any sense at all. This is why to “deconstruct,” say, George Washington, is not just an attack on the father of our country, but on fatherhood, God, and the realm of transcendent (i.e., the Real) in general. .....”

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More:

The Unthinkable Goodness of America
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2006/12/unthinkable-goodness-of-america.html


72 posted on 02/07/2012 11:28:24 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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