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To: bluecat6

I wouldn’t put too much stock in what is on the birth certificate. I have always believed that even if it is based on original data in their 1961 file, Barack Obama Sr. was probably no where near it when it was being filled out.

I think either Stanley Ann or Madelyn Dunham filled out the information as best they could, and they might not have been knowledgeable enough or picky enough to make sure it was correct.

I very much doubt Obama Sr. paid the slightest attention to the birth of his supposed son.


49 posted on 01/25/2012 2:21:32 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Danae; bluecat6; Beckwith; edge919

I’ve been browsing through the uscis.gov/link reference interpretations list and came across some items which may have application to Obama’s past/present status possibilities. Not a legal eagle, so I’m not familiar with the fine points of the ‘Interpretations’. The perceptions and opinions of you who are more educated are immensly helpful, and appreciated. [Caps for emphasis]

“Interpretation 350.1 Expatriation in the absence of elective action by PERSONS ACQUIRING DUAL NATIONALITY AT BIRTH prior to repeal of 350.
(a) Before Afroyim v. Rusk
(b) Effect of Afroyim v. Rusk” [I’m guessing Afroyim v. Rusk resulted in the repeal of 350.1]

(a)(3)Benefits of a foreign nationality construed. (i)”...The Board of Immigration Appeals, notinh that the word ‘benefit’ is defined as meaning fruit, PRIVILEGE, ADVANTAGE, or profit...”
*snip*
“The Board further stated that the benefit contemplated by section 350 should be substantial and indicative of an intention to express some preference for another country in a measure inconsistant with American citizenship.”

(b)(3)(ii): “Obtaining or USING a foreign passport. Such actions (as described in (a)(3)(i), supra) continued to be regarded as claims to a ‘substantial’ benefit of a foreign nationality for former section 350 purposes.”
*snip*
[RE: a US/Greek dual national] “...used [her] Greek passport...to visit doctors in Germany...and did not know that the USE OF THE [Greek] PASSPORT COULD CAUSE CITIZENSHIP LOSS...”

Under Appendix C: Citizenship and Passports -—
(C)(1)(f) “The VOLUNTARY USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT would ordinarily be considered to have been a substantial benefit of the nationality of a foreign state.”

If it is discovered, or can be proved, that Obama enrolled at Oxy as an Indonesian [or British] foreign student, and/or that he traveled to Pockeeston on an Indonesian [or British] passport - would these apply? Could he have had his American citizenship yanked?

Also under Appendix C, at (D)(1): The consular officer’s opinion and the Department’s decision have always been made a part of the OFFICIAL FILE RECORD IN EVERY CITIZENSHIP CASE IN WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS PERFORMED AN ACT MADE EXPATRIATING BY STATUTE. WHEN A CITIZEN IS ISSUED A PASSPORT OR REGISTERED BY A CONSULAR OFFICER UNDER THIS GENERAL DELEGATION OF AUTHORITY, THE CONSULAR OFFICER’S WRITTEN DECISION IS TO BE MADE A PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD AND ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION FOR THE DEPARTMENT’S FILES.”

Does anyone know if anyone working on all of this has filed FOIA requests regarding Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, etc, records at US Consuls in Jakarta, Hawaii, Los Angeles (Oxy) - and Vancouver, Canada? And the mother also - re: Hawaii and Jakarta. Not at all sure about this, but if I recall correctly, Stanley Ann Soetoro was for a time employed at the US Consulate in Jakarta. That may have been in Obie’s book - so may or may not be true.

Apologies for going on so - this aspect has me really curious, and keeps my mind from dwelling/sweating about tomorrow’s hearing.


53 posted on 01/25/2012 4:30:07 PM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: DiogenesLamp

Like the 2 year error in the BHO Seniors age?

I agree. It took him until 1964 to acknowledge Obama II in his last gasp attempt to stay in the US.


61 posted on 01/25/2012 6:02:53 PM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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