Posted on 01/15/2012 9:05:25 PM PST by stolinsky
Do you “become upset” when you read the Mormon doctrines “belittling and mocking the faith” of Christians ???
Or are you feelings selective ???
Eh ???
OK, you & Hugh Hewitt & the absurd makers of that Constitution/Article VI documentary from the '08 campaign just don't "get it." You & these others believe that Article VI halts the crux of objections to Romney's other-worldly commitments.
Point 1- RELIGION: Religion IS NOT a qualification or disqualification for public office; but it's certainly one quality of voter discernment among many others...namely, voting record, present position statements & rampant inconsistency of past position statements, social issues' stances, character, viability, scandal-free past, etc. Article VI, section 3 of the Constitution is aimed at the candidate (must be of a certain age and must have resided in our country for a certain number of years) and the government so that religion does not become a disqualification to keep somebody otherwise eligible for running for public office. Article VI, section 3, is not aimed at the voter. Otherwise, voters would have to 100% disregard character, beliefs, other-dimensionly commitments, and spiritual discernment in weighing candidates.
POINT 2 - ELIGIBILITY: Newsflash!! Every person on the ballot, & even most write-in candidates, have proper "qualifications" to not be excluded from office consideration (based upon religious grounds). Of course, millions of us have the "qualifications" to be considered a potential POTUS & shouldn't be excluded outright from a ballot because of the religion we hold! Nobody has a "Religious Ineligibility" tattoo on their forehead!
POINT 3- BOTTOM LINE: You confuse "qualifications" (language within the Constitution) with "qualities." (language that’s NOT in the Constitution). I focus on what voters base their votes on in the "real world": Qualities
Article VI says absolutely nothing...nada...zero...about how voters must weigh--or not weigh--the "qualities" of a candidate...So, nowhere does Article VI say that voters MUST 100% disregard character, beliefs, other-dimensionly commitments, and spiritual discernment in weighing candidates!
"Qualifications" have to do with what gets a man on a ballot. "Qualities" has to do with who gets elected.
I just recently heard on Fox News from Whorealldough that Mitt’s Great Grand Father left the US because he had 4 wives and that was frowned upon at the time. In Mexico he took a 5th wife who bore him a son.
That son then left Mexico and had a son named George. George as we all know later became governor of Michigan. George had a son called Mitt.
Mitt therefore is entitled to dual citizenship with Mexico. Of course I doubt that he would claim it with the political consequences involved.
The upshot of this is that Mitt would proudly proclaim his Mexican heritage if he were unconcerned about his polygamist heritage.
Second, there is a guy who I just read on Drudge is about to drop from the race and endorse Mitt. That would be Huntsman. Also a Mormon but I haven’t read anything about his multi-generational heritage.
But then you say later on: What little I know of LDS theology doesn’t bother me in the slightest. What people believe in their hearts is between them and God. Only He can see into our hearts. We can see how people act − specifically, whether they treat fellow human beings with kindness. If people form stable families, work hard, are reliable, and keep their word, that’s what’s important − or what should be important.
I guess consistency isn't your strong point, eh?
Let's see...Lds theology labels all Christian sects as "apostates" who are "corrupt" professing believers who embrace 100% abominable creeds. So that's apparently NOT religious "bigotry?"
But if somebody says something negative about Mormonism, that is "religious bigotry?"
If you judge based upon what others say about Mormonism, shouldn't also -- to be consistent -- judge Mormonism by what it says about Christian sects?
And if Mormon beliefs are all a "heart" thing "between them and God," then why aren't the religious convictions that people have about Mormons also a "heart" thing "between them and God."
Can you say you're vying for one of the top foolhardy posts of the year?
Why all the double standards? Is it because you can't think straight, or is it because you can't apply your personal standards evenly across the board?
“But some of these questions are raised by secular leftists who couldn’t care less about theology, but who use it as a club to beat a leading Republican over the head.”
Ironic, isn’t it? Strange bedfellows.
“Instances in which Evangelicals question Romney’s faith are emphasized by the liberal press. But many of the questions are raised by liberals themselves, who hope to stir up conflict among Republicans.”
Liberals stirring up conflict among Republicans - with help from the anti Mormons around these parts.
I’m not voting for theologian-in-chief, I’m voting for president. I’ve worked closely with evangelical Christians and devout Catholics. They may believe I am going to Hell because I’m a Jew, but they treated me like I was in Heaven while I’m still here. On the contrary, I’ve worked with agnostic or atheistic liberals who don’t believe in Hell, but they treated me like I was in Hell because they disliked my conservative views.
So no, theology doesn’t upset me. Obnoxious, untrustworthy, cruel behavior upsets me. And what really upsets me is liberal nonbelievers who suddenly become experts on theology—for the sole purpose of condemning conservatives, that is.
You seem uncomfortable at FR. Are you sure you want to continue posting here, Sandy?
That son then left Mexico and had a son named George.
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George Romney, Mitts Dad was born in Mexico...
and not under the jurisdiction of the laws of the US
To quote you, “What little I know of LDS theology doesn’t bother me in the slightest.” Either you know little to nothing of mormonISM, or your brand of ‘christianity’ avoids defending Christianity when the spirit of anti-Christ rises. Perhaps you should learn abit more about both MomronISM AND becoming a Christian, the hows and whys, and Whom is the Savior and how He does it.
Still a free country last time I checked.
Obnoxious, untrustworthy, cruel behavior upsets me.
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Then why dont you write about it...
Mormon history is chock full from its beginings with “Obnoxious, untrustworthy, cruel behavior” towards Christians..
does it “upset” you ???
or are you selective ???
As a Jew does it “upset” you that your favorite religionists have dead dunked your co-religionists, the Jews of the Holocaist into Mormonism along with Hitler himself ???
What truly does move you on a genuine plain ???
Still a free country last time I checked.
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Oh Sandy
How poignant
“. . . when the spirit of anti-Christ rises”
There you go - condemning me to hell again - that I am filled with the devil because I’m a Mormon. Well, it’s a good thing you are not my judge.
Jesus Christ is my Savior and I love Him. He will be my Judge.
Well, it’s a good thing you are not my judge.
jesus christ is my Savior and I love Him. He will be my Judge.
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Well I hope he knows he has to stand in line behind you main savior and judge Joey Smith...
Poor thing, you’ve tipped over from victimhood to paranoia and delusions. Have Nice Day
Was George a citizen when Mitt was born? Was Mitt’s mother a citizen when Mitt was born?
I would argue that his father was not a NBC, but with the information I have I would guess that Mitt is.
jesus christ is my Savior and I love Him.
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This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 1 John 4:10
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