[mountainlion]

Charles the Hammer, Great Grandfather of Charlemagne, lost the first battle against the Muslim barbarians and won all of the 16 remaining battles against them. Europe would have been Muslim for a long time if not for him.

[wastoute]

In college we translated “The Chanson de Roland.”

[ROTB]

Charles the Hammer, Great Grandfather of Charlemagne, lost the first battle against the Muslim barbarians and won all of the 16 remaining battles against them. Europe would have been Muslim for a long time if not for him.

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what was the change in strategy??

[gorush]

"Charles the Hammer, Great Grandfather of Charlemagne..."

I believe he was Charlemagne's Grandfather. His son, Pippen, was Charlemagne's father. I could, as always, be wrong...but there you have it.

[ROTB]

I just watched the video. Smart guy this “Hammer”.

1) train soldiers
2) equip with heavy shields and spears
3) form a line on high ground, negating the momentum of the Muslim cavalry charge
4) send a 2nd force to steal gold, creating a “general retreat” whether the Muslim general wanted one or not

Nice!

[NonValueAdded]

Charles the Hammer, Great Grandfather of Charlemagne ...

Realli? Proud to call him kin!!!

[rfreedom4u]

Let’s not forget Jan III Sobieski at Vienna in 1683!