Posted on 01/07/2012 11:00:14 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
Anyone putting odds on a fatal car accident happening to Mahili?
Holder’s probably getting in the armored SUV right now...
I'll start now. I fully expect him to end up in the same old wagon rut arguments that other legal types keep trying to use. Roosevelt not only screwed up the Judges, he screwed up the law schools too! I think it will be a miracle for any of the legal people to get it right.
” . . .. upholding the Constitution of the United States ...”
While ignoring the requirement that both parents of a citizen seeking election to the office of President of the U.S.A. must have been citizens of the U.S.A. at the time of said office seeker’s birth, thus making him or her a “natural born citizen.”
If this argument holds, then I want to know the following:
1. Did Romney’s parents or either of them renounce their citizenship in the US when they lived in Mexico or were they US Citizens at the time Mittens was born? I have heard various stories about this and don’t know what to believe.
2. Did Marco Rubio’s parents hold US Citizenship at the time he was born, or did they acquire it later, after he was born? Again, I have heard conflicting stories.
Is is possible that the same issue arises with others who are Republicans, and that this is why they will not address this issue?
So many seem to disregard the arguments as being totally without merit, but I have yet to see anything definitive which proves or disproves the principle at issue here.
They tend to state that it has been rehashed so often that it has no chance. (I wish I had an 8th grade Math teacher that would tell me that if I asked how to work a geometry problem often enough without getting an answer, the teacher would eventually tell me that the problem will not appear on the test.) That is what we are being told now, I think.
But what is the proper conclusion to be reached? What is the definition of Natural Born Citizen?
Or, is there advantage to not deciding this issue, so as to create a continual cloud on the bona fides of the election? Who would benefit?
I think it is a good question, but what are the motives for not inquiring?
Nothing eliminates conspiracy theories better than a factual answer based on provable and verifiable propositions and conclusions.
We are not to be educated in this case, I think.
In one of the earlier cases the presiding judge specifically cited telephone calls, letters, and other contact from the public as a definite negative to the plaintiff's case. An honest judge bases his decisions on the law, not on public opinion. Support the lawyers involved if you must, but please leave the judge alone.
Holder may be the “arranger” but would not kill anyone himself. He is a sissy just like BO. On the downlow too!
I don’t think the ‘father not a citizen’ argument holds water. But if it does then we can look for Congress to pass legislation, before the 2012 election and by acclamation (the ‘pubbies won’t want to look ‘unreasonable’), declaring someone born in the US to be a natural born citizen regardless of the parent’s status.
“here is the death pool of this white house as complied by our very own FRiend nachumlist, who’s account seems to be suspened for some reason...”
Greg, don’t scare me like that! Nachum’s acct is alive and well. His list is a separate item that he periodically publishes, and I assume/hope it’s fine too.
Best to you both. I have a feeling ‘12 is going to be a very good year. We shall see.
I may have to go down and watch this hearing. Could be an historical moment.
This is why people are now moving the argument away from parents being citizens to the ambiguous "being under the jurisdiction of."
It's all a part of devaluing what it means to be an American citizen, so that foreigners have more influence than actual citizens these days.
I think this has been going on since the days of the Reagan election when the world sentiment was that American presidential elections were too important to be left to the Americans alone.
-PJ
My bad, I pinged him as nachumlist...thanx for straightening me out!
Your presence even if you take notes would be much appreciated. As demonstrated by my presence at the NH hearing it is beneficial to have an objective witness.....
true story
oh shoot he’s just an administrative hearings judge, not even a circuit court judge
The reason the Republicans do not follow this up is because in Obama’s case, they signed off on it
You are right.
Both parties are complicit in our having a Muslim illegitimate President in the White House.
The Democrats for placing him there and the Republicans for their lack of intestinal fortitude in the fear that blacks would turn against them if they outed their messiah.
The riots would have been better than the devastation Obama has wreaked on the country.
the only reason the birth certificate was required was to have an official document stating the father’s citizenship.
0failure and crew muddied the waters by releasing an *obviously* forged BC
disregarding the forging of federal documents... the documents show 0bama to be American AS WELL AS british by descent. this fails the “natural born citizen’ requirement.
yes.
i’ve anticipated this coming to a head mid spring... just about the time the markets will falter and the occu-tards will emerge from their winter hibernation
Would that include the US-born offspring (aka anchor babies) of illegal aliens being eligible for the presidency? Somehow I don't think even the congress is stupid enough to go on record for a no-win issue like this.
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