no to all the above...
Posted on 01/02/2012 7:18:49 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice
“Odd. I taught my children whole wood in Homeschool because I recognized that phonics is a sham, and as adults now, they are doing fine.”
That’s not accurate.
Wrong——Explicit phonics is a tool to decode.
Whole words is limited in the words that are ever seen by a kid—plus memory is limited-—so it will prevent them from decoding new words—always. Your kids must be very shallow readers or picked up some phonics in the classroom.
My kids (5) learned phonics at 4 and could read any book by 7-—even the encyclopedias. They could not only read fast-—they could understand what it was they were reading because the habitual pronunciation of only 26 letters and blends allows them total concentration on text and meanings.
“Look up the difference between Explicit and Implicit phonics. Many parents THINK there schools teach “Phonics” but they are WRONG-—FOOLED by the Billy Ayers type who are writing all the Curricula.”
Clearly. The education establishment has their agenda, and having well-educated Americans CLEARLY is not part of it. I don’t care if your school is “wonderful” and your teachers are “wonderful”, they ARE part of that system and they DO NOT have a choice as to how to educate your kids - they do what they’re told...and from levels way above anything that parents are aware of.
Parents MUST take control of at least the early years, just so their kids can, later on, read their science books and their math books.
Just stop it. I learned to read whole words when I was four. No one used phonics when I was growing up; everyone learned to read.
“There list is great. Works every time.
http://www.nrrf.org/essay_Explicit_or_Implicit_Phonics.html";
Propaganda - we all know that making kids learn the shapes of 250,000 words is a MUCH BETTER way to learn reading. LOL.
Nice link, by the way.
no to all the above...
“no to all the above...”
Why am I not surprised? I could ask you if your kids are mad at the ABUSE you put them through, making them learn sounds before the had the chance to memorize the shapes of words (LOL), but I know your answer. Same as my answer.
It’s sad to see people on this defending Whole Language. They must either have a vested interest or be filled with guilt...
all our kids are out of college so it's not something i have to deal with
Completely false. If that were truly the case then Asian children would be at a serious disadvantage, instead of the stellar academic performers they tend to be.
Whole words is limited in the words that are ever seen by a kid—plus memory is limited-—so it will prevent them from decoding new words—always. Your kids must be very shallow readers or picked up some phonics in the classroom.
Again false. In case you didn't read correctly the first time, my children were homeschooled, so there was no classroom as you put to correct any faults our curriculum may or may not have had. Both are in college and doing quite well, thank you.
My kids (5) learned phonics at 4 and could read any book by 7-—even the encyclopedias. They could not only read fast-—they could understand what it was they were reading because the habitual pronunciation of only 26 letters and blends allows them total concentration on text and meanings.
Good for you children, truly. I likewise read at four, and not only do I not read phonetically, but I completely lack the internal monologue, and always have. That is to say I do not in any way convert text to sound as I read. I will admit that I didn't learn to spell properly until I was in college, but my case is somewhat unique. It's unusual in and of itself to read naturally and truly silently.
ya just never know...
I’m in my forties. Everyone was taught the alphabet at a very early age as a sort of rhyming song, then progressing to understanding the sounds each letter can make, then very basic readers. See Spot run. Run Spot, run. Then gradually increasing complexity of vocabulary, with spelling and vocabulary tests along the way. This continued through to middle school, with decreasing emphasis upon “reading” as a discrete subject, for all but those students having difficulty with it.
That’s phonics.
Here’s another site:
http://www.improve-education.org/id58.html
I don’t even think any sights exist that claim Whole Language is superior (except for maybe some Soros-funded garbage). It’s so discredited that they have to keep changing it’s name, just to keep ahead of the parents.
Here’s their list of names - I don’t think I’ve EVER seen Phonics have to change its name...
Whole Word
Sight Words
Dolch Words
Whole Language
Balanced Literacy
Look-Say
Memory Method
Sight reading does not preclude an education in etymology. I can read many words that I’m not familiar with because I recognize the Norse, Latin or Greek roots.
Right.
BUT to me, the character and worldview of the children are the most crucial-—that they respect Natural Rights from God—and the fundamentals of freedom and Capitalism.
The textbooks destroy not only the morals of children—it destroys their logic and any Christian Ethics. Strands (methodologies) are designed to target kids who “think” wrong and they guarantee in a switch of worldview. I am speaking about all the socialism in todays texts-—all subjects—even math.
People do not understand child development in forming the basic worldview and moral character in children—which is crucial to EVERYTHING. You will not care if your child is a math wizard if he thinks like Stalin and Hitler-—moral relativists.
BK Eakman outlines the Marxist takeover in all the textbooks since Dewey when they kicked out the McGuffey Readers which was filled with Bible quotes and moral lessons—not the head cutting moral lessons of islam—but the Judeo/Christian Ethics that were in practice since our founding —until Dewey.
How do you read?
Do you read phonetically?
I was sight reading at the age of three. My mother taught me how to read. Phonetics hadn’t caught on in America, yet. She used sight reading with me.
At age seven, I was introduced to phonetics. It confused the hell out of me.
I got around that by already by-passing the reading material that was offered in the reading lessons, because I knew all the damn words that the stupid teacher was trying to re-teach me.
In school, my reading level was always beyond my peers. I never had to take the stupid phonetics lessons because I was grades ahead of them in learning the words and in the content of reading material.
I would read the dictionary for fun, even. For hours.
If a child cannot adapt to one way of learning, I don’t know why another one can’t work instead. Who says there can be only one way to learn? Who says every child learns the same way?
This sounds ridiculous to me, like forcing my children to learn material that doesn’t matter to them, doesn’t help them, and doesn’t grow their minds. Which is exactly what is taught at school... along with phonetics.
My 12 year old son is an excellent reader. From the time he was a toddler I would read to him before bed. One of our favorites: Dr Seuss’s ABCs. From Aunt Annie’s Alligator to the Zizzer Zazzer Zuzz it teaches that letters represent sounds. He has gone on to read a huge number of books and is one of the top students in his school. “Sight reading” before phonics is like trying to run before you can walk.
“People do not understand child development in forming the basic worldview and moral character in children—which is crucial to EVERYTHING. You will not care if your child is a math wizard if he thinks like Stalin and Hitler-—moral relativists.”
I agree...I just didn’t want to try to take that hill, here.
“How do you read?”
Not nearly as good as my kids, but then I made sure that they were taught pure phonics. I got the diluted version, and then only because they were forced to teach me sounds due a bad speech problem. My sister wasn’t as lucky, and she’s angry to this day that they didn’t teach her phonics (and yes, it has hurt her career-wise).
Do you read phonetically?”
Yep, when I see a word like “etymology”...and when I was first learning, EVERY word looked like that. I had to think and sound them out, all of them - at the beginning.
As to how you were taught, I very much doubt that your mother didn’t have you sounding out words (in other words, you weren’t learn the shapes of words with no clue regarding sounds). I suspect the hard part was going back to the fundamental sounds because she likely didn’t teach you that...instead she started with the complete words and had you mentally break them into sounds.
LOL—I do tend to go all over the map.
It is just our WHOLE educational system HAS to be scrapped and start from the bottom with the parents and local control of EVERYTHING-—even deciding WHO can teach—and what books to use.
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