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To: Alamo-Girl
Truly, science has misappropriated the word "random" from mathematics.

I was fairly certain I would trip your mathematic switch, AG.

So what’s the word/description Science is looking for when it says “random”? “Unpredictable”? Is there a better (more exact) description? And . . . to be “random,” must something first be designed to be random?

I get it when you explain that numbers that are an extension of Pi, taken out of context (the system), might be mistaken as “random.”

It strikes me that Science is sometimes even more confused than I.

178 posted on 01/10/2012 4:04:31 PM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: YHAOS; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
".... to be “random,” must something first be designed to be random?"

Consider this:

"...let's turn to a passage in Heller's Creative Tension. He points out that recent developments in deterministic chaos theory have demonstrated that "there are strong reasons to believe that a certain amount of randomness is indispensable for the emergence and evolution of organized structures.... Randomness is no longer perceived as a competitor of God, but rather as a powerful tool in God's strategy of creating the world."

"He quotes the physicist Paul Davies, who wrote that,

"God is responsible for ordering the world, not through direct action, but by providing various potentialities which the physical universe is then free to actualize. In this way, God does not compromise the essential openness and indeterminism of the universe, but is nevertheless in a position to encourage a trend toward good. Traces of this subtle and indirect influence may be discerned in the progressive nature of biological evolution, for example, and the tendency for the universe to self-organize into a richer variety of ever more complex forms."

"In a similar vein, he quotes A. R. Peacocke: "On this view God acts to create the world through what we call 'chance' operating within the created order, each stage of which constitutes the launching pad for the next."

"So the bottom line is that if your life were totally planned, it couldn't be. In other words, the more you attempt to tamp down randomness and chance, the more you are likely to create disorder. To put it another way, there is a higher principle at work, which uses randomness and chaos to break up evolutionary impasses and "lure" the system toward its own destiny, so to speak. We must surrender to this destiny, as each of us, to paraphrase Sri Aurobindo, is a "unique problem of God."

"Or you could say that "the answer is the disease that kills curiosity," or that twoness resolves the problem of oneness through the discovery and synthesis of eternal threeness, in which Love abides. ....."

181 posted on 01/10/2012 5:41:27 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: YHAOS
LOLOL! Thank you for raising the question, dear YHAOS!

"Unpredictable" is the accurate term for what science currently deems as "random."

And truly, I'd rather believe that scientists misappropriate words from mathematics because they do not understand the discipline than to think they are intentionally misrepresenting their observations.

188 posted on 01/11/2012 8:01:17 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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