[Wallop the Cat]

Dude, you are going to die. It baffles me to no end when I consider to what lengths we all go to in order to avoid thinking about that singular fact, but it is inescapable. Do you - does anybody - believe that as a society we should spare no expense prolonging every single life to the absolute end? That is as unsustainable economically speaking, as is the current federal budget. I am not advocating euthanasia, but on the other hand I am not willing to pay to keep myself or you alive for a few extra days or weeks at the tail end of our lives when that cost is overwhelming the medical and insurance (including Medicare) systems already.

[wagglebee]

I am not advocating euthanasia, but on the other hand I am not willing to pay to keep myself or you alive for a few extra days or weeks at the tail end of our lives when that cost is overwhelming the medical and insurance (including Medicare) systems already.

So, are you advocating:
A. Death panels
B. Rationing
C. Both of the above

[hinckley buzzard]

Like most recent additions here, you miss the point. We all know better than you do that we will die someday. The issue is, who decides. As an American I want the individual and his family to make that decision, not some idiot bureaucrat in Washington.

[DesertRhino]

“Do you - does anybody - believe that as a society we should spare no expense prolonging every single life to the absolute end?”

Society doesnt pay my health insurance or co-pay. Society has no vote here. If you wanna let em blow out your lamp early to save your family a few bucks in the inheritance,,,have at it. As for me and mine,,that doctor will be told in no uncertain terms that he needs to act like his life counts on it. If a doctor decides to skip out on something that would work,, just because he thinks the collective will is better served, i might decide that the collective will is better served by taking him out. What could they do,, sentence an 85 year old to life?
I bet at that age you don’t even have to join a gang in prison to be safe. I think they usually have a good library too.

[DesertRhino]

If baffles me to no end how someone cannot see the difference between a terminally ill person deciding to refuse further treatments,,,
AND a terminally ill person who is TOLD we won’t treat you because we think WE have the right to decide your treatments even if you can pay for them.

Medical people are simply vendors, selling a service. They arent wisened guardians, that we need to listen to about philosophy. All a sawbones has a right to do is tell you the treatments, what is will and wont do, and ask how you intend to pay for it. The last doctor i saw at an urgent care was only old enough to vote for the first time in 2000!
They have no business in value judgements and need to stick to the facts.
That last 4 years that they think isnt worth the money, might be going to a grandkids wedding. It might be the finishing of a book, it might be one last trophy deer.

Screw Obama and his “take the blue pill” mentality right up the wazzoo.

[itsahoot]

I am not advocating euthanasia,

Sure you are.

[A_perfect_lady]

Oh boy are you going to get it now. They hate socialized medicine, but they LOVE keeping people alive till every last penny is gone.

[Secret Agent Man]

I decide when I do or don’t want something, not a doctor. If I haven’t given up that’s my call not your call to make. You forget under Obama are you won’t be able to get care you want even if you can pay for it. I’m not talking about others footing the bill for me anymore than my premiums have been footing everyone else’s bills now.

[Secret Agent Man]

I decide when I do or don’t want something, not a doctor. If I haven’t given up that’s my call not your call to make. You forget under Obama are you won’t be able to get care you want even if you can pay for it. I’m not talking about others footing the bill for me anymore than my premiums have been footing everyone else’s bills now.

[Minn]

I am not willing to pay to keep myself or you alive for a few extra days or weeks at the tail end of our lives when that cost is overwhelming the medical and insurance (including Medicare) systems already.

Screwed up system where its any of your business one way or the other what services others may, or may not, receive.