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Watching Republicans plod along so aimlessly is just painful.
1 posted on 12/24/2011 10:04:43 AM PST by sickoflibs
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To: sickoflibs

Those spineless fools buy into the righteousness of the moochers, and don’t realize saying “No” is heroic.


2 posted on 12/24/2011 10:08:05 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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How can you Republicans turn this around and put Democrats and Obama on the defensive?

The Republicans did just that by getting the Democrats to vote FOR extending the tax cuts for two months. How are Obama and the Dems going to campaign to reverse them two months from now after campaigning FOR them?

3 posted on 12/24/2011 10:10:06 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
I don't want to see congressional Republicans continue to be beat over the head on this issue next year, as with this year. They need to change strategy. Need to head this off at pass:
Will Democrats revive millionaire surtax? (Here we go again...)

So my idea on this is above.

4 posted on 12/24/2011 10:10:12 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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Oh yeah, let the gov’t “run” another savings/retirement account for me. They’ve done so well managing the rest of the country’s finances, I trust them completely.
How about, take less of my money and let me manage it?


6 posted on 12/24/2011 10:14:04 AM PST by Fireone (Heating the tar and readying the feathers.)
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To: sickoflibs

I like it.


7 posted on 12/24/2011 10:16:17 AM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: sickoflibs

The GOP Congress is run by fools.


11 posted on 12/24/2011 10:24:39 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: sickoflibs
The Repubs wanted "private" accounts, but the Dems said "no" because diverting the $ would cut support of SS funding. THEN the Dems cut ALL SS funding (payroll tax).

So it would seem this (private investment option)would be a good proposal, except that the Dems will say the Payroll tax money is being spent, which the economy needs; not saved for the future.

14 posted on 12/24/2011 10:39:32 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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Nice thinking!

"Private retirement account" implies that it will not be gov't that decides how to invest the money.

Please ping me if possible on your future ideas.
16 posted on 12/24/2011 10:42:22 AM PST by kenavi (1% of the 1% were born in the 1%.)
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To: sickoflibs
My understanding is that the Payroll Tax doesn't "directly" fund SS. Instead SS receives an IOU from the Treasury for the money collected. BUT, doesn't the lack of a payroll tax mean that SS will not get another IOU? Doesn't this mean that SS will run out of money earlier?

Cutting the Payroll Tax may generate growth in the general economy, but how is that little bit of growth ever going to replace the SS funding which was not paid?

18 posted on 12/24/2011 10:44:33 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: sickoflibs

Very interesting idea...I like it a lot.


21 posted on 12/24/2011 11:03:18 AM PST by NittanyLion
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This is simple replace it with the income tax cut= cut govt spending and watch the rats object


23 posted on 12/24/2011 11:13:19 AM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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Let the rabble be able to afford a round of drinks on payday. That’s what this crap amounts to. Boehner had it right but the GOP intelligentsia made him back down. I don’t appreciate being part of a party that plays the fool and allows clowns like Reid and the Kenyan Kommunist to laugh at us.


25 posted on 12/24/2011 11:47:22 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To Sickoflibs et al:

I like your idea. But, refine this language, so that it is down to the “street level” and lib media cannot screw it up in to something else (which they will try to do in any case). Apologize in advance for the size of this— but I too am just livid with this lying mackdaddy fraud and his party.

When this comes up again, and it will in the Senate and House conference, Change the Game—Call it “PAYROLL TAX CHOICE”— extend the tax cut to 5 years, which the worker/taxpayer can either take in pay or direct to a “Private Personal Retirement Account” run by their own bank or credit union (a plan for working people-”PPRA01-K”). This covers two possibilities- if, as obamunistas claim this two month “cut” was/is so essential to the economy ($40) for only two months, then giving people the choice to have the cash in hand or put it into something they themselves control for 5 years -— Conservatism personified & Independence personified— would be an even greater “huge boost to the economy immediately and sustained for 5 years”.

The bookkeeping for this is simple— no bookkeeping costs at all— just no withhold anymore on this amount. The dirty details are that the original “payroll cut” bill (the one being extended) did not remove the requirement for the employer to pay their 6.2% share (self employed people all know this as they have to file quarterly). Did y’all know that?
So, the above plan at the same time, would have to eliminate the employer’s requirement to pay the 6.2%. Bigtime buy in from small and large employers. And this would mean more money for employers for MORE JOBS— again a win against the anti-jobs welfare libs and obama re-election. Can almost guarantee when this comes up again in Feb and this be proposed, you will have the lib/dems trying to say the Republicans want to “kill Social Security and Medicare”— The reply to that is obamacare already is doing rather for real right now and democrats don’t care. This is a pay checkbook issue that would put the dems in their place and make them show their cards and lies. So we need to prepare for that. Dems are not for working people, period, no matter what SEIU leadership says. Back them up to the wall!

One other observation: Joe Pags was in for Beck yesterday AM and it replayed today. This bill originated in the HOUSE, and it GAVE obama what he wanted— a year’s extension (despite the dog and pony lies he grandstanded with yesterday)-it also had the “doctor fix” on stopping Medicare payment rollbacks, and continued unemployment compensation— in other words, the HOUSE Majority- Republicans and only SOME dems— voted for this. Then the Senate repubs tagged on the pipeline (Pres must decide, w/in 60 days— a stupid ploy—he’ll say no) and the Senate dems in response (to appease their enviro nut lib base) reduced the extension of the cuts to two months. It was the lack of extension to one year that caused Boehner to stay NO, and for no rational reason to NOT double down on the “$40 is a lot of money” crap. THAT is how we got here.

So, for “optics” vs reality— here’s how Repubs/conservatives need to say this: “INSTEAD of what Republicans wanted, which was a whole YEAR at over $1K of take home pay for working Americans, the President and the democrat party insisted on reducing the amount of money in working people’s take home pay to a paltry $40/two week check (50K or lower annual gross pay) for ONLY the next two months-not a full year . WHY DID THE DEMOCRATS change this to a CHEAPSKATE move to only two months, and the President liken it to pizza money? To allow the President time to say NO the Pipeline project, and to 22,000 plus jobs which would immediately drop the price of crude oil and the price of gasoline at the pump. To allow the President to continue to subsidize FOREIGN OIL dependence with US taxpayers hard earned money— in exchange for $40 in pizza money. That is who this President is, and who the democrat party supports, while their insider pals in “green energy” govt. scams and “oil futures” and “finance” commodities (Corzine)rip off the taxpayers even further.” “Republicans are for the working people in this country being able to have a job,with more money in hand for their work, and for increasing job opportunities. Obviously, the President and democrats do not want this, or the independence of our country’s energy needs.” “Meanwhile the President then takes off for a $4million vacation in Hawaii on the taxpayer’s ticket, once again” Paint a picture. That’s the rhetoric— and it is also the Truth.

If any of y’all know your congress person who has a set, and/or Boehner, send it to them so they understand how to fight.

Boehner apparently was too slow to figure out(no thanks to McCain and Graham who made “statements” on their way out of DC early and there was something else pushing Boehner from McConnell’s side— we need to vote out dems in the Senate and their majority “rules”)he was being set up. But we have another chance to slam the lid on the democrat coffin. Things are not getting better, and they have made it worse.


34 posted on 12/24/2011 12:40:32 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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BTTT


68 posted on 01/02/2012 6:19:06 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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