My support of LENR is not blinding me to the possibility that it is a scam. I have considered the possibility. I have looked at the angles, how Rossi could have done some magician’s trick to fool skeptics like Levi who went into it looking for exactly such tricks.
How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts
It is blind skeptopaths such as yourself who will not look at the science behind these developments.
For instance, almost all of you seem to be slackjawed for a response to the fact that the Pons-Fleishmann effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times.
Jing-tang He
• Nuclear fusion inside condense matters
• Frontiers of Physics in China
Volume 2, Number 1, 96-102, DOI: 10.1007/s11467-007-0005-8
This article describes in detail the nuclear fusion inside condense matters—the Fleischmann-Pons effect, the reproducibility of cold fusions, self-consistency of cold fusions and the possible applications
http://www.boliven.com/publication/10.1007~s11467-007-0005-8?q=(%22David%20J.%20Nagel%22)
Scientific American
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-scientists-sin
1. Jed Rothwell
11:52 AM 6/20/10
Shermer says that Goodstein concluded that cold fusion was most likely a case of scientists who “convince themselves that they are in the possession of knowledge that does not in fact exist.”
Cold fusion has been replicated in over 180 major laboratories, by roughly 1,500 professional scientists. These replications have been published in roughly 800 papers in mainstream, peer reviewed journals such as J. Electroanal. Chem. and Japanese J. of Applied Physcis. J. He of the Institute of High Energy Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences estimates that the effect has been observed in roughly 14,000 experimental runs (Front. Phys. China (2007) 1: 96 102).
Many of the results were at low signal to noise ratio, but others were high, such as heat from 10 to 100 W, and tritium at 50 times background (Los Alamos, Texas A&M) up to several million times (BARC).
Most of the researchers who have reported positive results are senior, distinguished experts, such as the Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission, government of India, and the experts at Los Alamos in charge of the Tritium Systems Test Assembly and the Tokamak Fusion Test Reactor at Princton. Only senior researchers can get funding because of academic politics.
When a result has been widely replicated at high signal to noise ratios and reported in the literature, that result is real, by definition. There is no other standard of reality in science. If it were possible for hundreds of scientists in hundreds of laboratories to be wrong, the experimental method would not work, and no result would be meaningful, and science itself would not work. If Shermer and Goodstein would substitute some other standard of truth, and ignore replication and peer-review, they are engaged in some form of faith-based religion or a popularity contest, not science.
For instance, almost all of you seem to be slackjawed for a response to the fact that the Pons-Fleishmann effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times.After seeing how uncritically willing the field has been to accept every ridiculous claim by Rossi, I have serious doubts about the basic competence of the entire field. After devoting their careers to such a dead-end field, I suspect they will grasp at any straw, no matter how dubious.
How many times was the energy output accurately predicted, or were they all anomalous like Pons-Fleishmann?
According to a post by Sterling Allan, Levi is a Rossi employee, not a skeptic.
Your posting of that Scientific American article and then Jed Rothwell strongly suggests he wrote the SA article when all he did was comment on it. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way.
Replicated 14,700 times, so, where's my Mr. Fusion?
You wrote:
"Am I an expert on this? No."
Then I suggest you read original, peer-reviewed sources written by experts.
". . . but F&P have simply not been replicated, despite numerous attempts."
That is incorrect. The effect has been replicated at well over 200 major laboratories (E. Storms, Los Alamos), in roughly 14,700 experimental runs (J. He, Chines Ac. of Sciences). Most replications that I have observed or read about were successful.
I would like to see multiple sources verifying this number since it's bandied about in every thread. Are the writers trying to reach critical mass so that when people question the number, they can answer," It's settled science". Yeah, like Global Warming.
While I might not be qualified on the nuclear physics, I am more than qualified to comment on their test procedures which would have had my physics teachers laugh in my face in front of the whole class. I know some of the slower folks are trying to make a joke about that, no, I was never laughed at in class. Being the first one done on every lab and every test tends to gain respect.
Hell, if you want to find out if spanking leads to a homosexual kid, I bet the researchers would get wheelbarrows of money thrown at them and what exactly would the practical result of that type of research be anyway???