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To: Seizethecarp; SatinDoll; jonrick46; DiogenesLamp

It has been verified by the Univ. of Hawaii that Stanley Ann was enrolled there for the fall semester of 1960. It has also been verified that she was enrolled at the Univ. of Washington for the fall semester of 1961. In fact, it had been that the only undisputed documents relative to Stanley Ann prior to 1964 were the statements of enrollment provided by those two universities.

There has now been published [FOIA] an INS file on Barack Obama the elder - covering his time at Univ. of Hawaii, and also his time at Harvard. In early 1961 he was trying to get an extension on his student visa. The chronology and content of those documents indicates that possibly Stanley Ann ‘married’ him as a favor, the thinking being that with a U.S. citizen spouse, deporting him would be less likely. [Interestingly, the scenario/circumstance was almost the same as a few years later when she married Lolo Soetoro as he was in the throes of facing deportation over his expired visa]

The INS documents on Obama tell how - after this process against him had begun unfolding, he suddenly announced - surprise, surprise - he had married a U.S. citizen. This didn’t go over too well with the Univ. of Hawaii, or the INS, because he already had a wife and child in Kenya. They were also concerned because Mr. Obama had been building a reputation on campus as someone whose motto was “All you gurlz’ panties R mine!”. The wording in the April 12, 1961 memo is:”If he were convicted of bigamy we might get a deportation charge but not before.” [A few years later, Harvard pressed the point; Sr. was informed he would have to complete his thesis in Kenya because they were booting him out for the same reason: moral turpitude.]

Of particular interest is this final sentence of the 4/12/61 memo [caps mine, for emphasis]:
“Recommend that Subject be closely questioned before another extension is granted - and denial be considered. IF HIS USC [U.S. Citizen] WIFE TRIES TO PETITION FOR HIM MAKE SURE AN INVESTIGATION IS CONDUCTED AS TO THE BONA-FIDE OF THE MARRIAGE.”

The first sentence of this memo is very curious [caps mine, for emphasis]:
“Mrs. McCabe, University of Hawaii, Foreign Student Advisor, called on 4/10/61 and reported that Barack H. Obama, a student at the University since 1959 was married on February 2, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham, a United states citizen FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON in Maui, Hawaii.”

This was written 4/12/61. According to Stanley Ann’s son, Barry - she graduated from the Mercer Island, Washington high school in [May or June] 1960, and she and her parents immediately moved to Hawaii. She had been enrolled at the University of Hawaii for the fall 1961 semester. By April 12, 1961 Stanley Ann and her parents had been legal residents of the state of Hawaii for approximately 9 months. So why does the INS describe Stanley Ann not as “a United States citizen resident of Hawaii who married Obama in Maui, but as “FROM” Seattle, Washington. She had not lived in [been “from”] Seattle since she was in the 8th grade. Her parents had moved there when she was in 8th grade, but a year later had moved to Mercer Island - closer to Bellevue, WA than to Seattle.

Another memo, dated 8/31/61, re: Obama, Barack H. A11938537 [caps mine]:
“U.S.C. spouse to GO to Wash. State University next semester.” “They have one child born Honolulu on 8/4/61 - Barack Obama II, CHILD LIVING WITH MOTHER (SHE LIVES WITH HER PARENTS & SUBJECT RESIDES AT 1482 ALINEASTRE ST.)”

These documents can be seen/printed at Scribd; link is www.HeatherSmathers.com

Heather Smathers is the journalist who filed the FOIA request for the documents.

Because of the descriptive wording in these INS documents, I suspect Stanley Ann attended Univ. Hawaii for that 1961 fall semester, but that when she turned up pregnant she was hustled back to Washington - hence the INS referring to her as “from Seattle”. I also suspect that Barry was born somewhere in Washington state [or across the border in Canada]; that he won’t reveal his actual birth certificate because the student Barack Obama is not on that certificate as his father; that the already pregnant/shamefully unmarried Stanley Ann and the likely-to-be-deported-if-he-didn’t-get-another-visa-extension Obama entered into a quid-pro-quo: marriage of convenience/necessity/desperation. I suspect Obama,Sr. lied to the INS about the child being his, and where it was born - because it was essential for him to promote the charade of being its father.

I suspect all these things are the primary reason there is nothing - NOTHING - of Barry’s existance in Hawaii, or of his mother’s being in Hawaii [except for fall ‘61 semester] - until after Obama left Hawaii for Harvard in August, 1962. And even at that, there is no tangible evidence of Stanley Ann & Barry being there until photos of him when he appears closer to three than to two years old.


70 posted on 12/19/2011 1:07:43 AM PST by GGMac ((lesson learned re Obie: parse every sentence, every word, every gesture, every photo))
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To: GGMac
I agree. Well spotted that part about "...Stanley Ann Dunham, a United states citizen FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON in Maui, Hawaii.”

I have yet to see any piece of evidence come forward which might poke a hole in the Obama Born in Washington/Canada theory. I've seen plenty of holes poked in the "born in Kenya" theory, but none for the Born in Washington/Canada theory.

Personally, I prefer to believe the born in Canada theory because of the consequences it would have if it turns out to be true. :)

I will of course, accept only what the facts demonstrate, and if someone can present some fact which disproves the born in Canada theory, I will of course discard it. At the moment though, it looks like a pretty good theory.

75 posted on 12/19/2011 8:45:34 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus sequitur Patrem)
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To: LucyT

ping #70


112 posted on 12/20/2011 7:32:06 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: GGMac
Because of the descriptive wording in these INS documents, I suspect Stanley Ann attended Univ. Hawaii for that 1961 fall semester, but that when she turned up pregnant she was hustled back to Washington - hence the INS referring to her as “from Seattle”. I also suspect that Barry was born somewhere in Washington state [or across the border in Canada]; that he won’t reveal his actual birth certificate because the student Barack Obama is not on that certificate as his father; that the already pregnant/shamefully unmarried Stanley Ann and the likely-to-be-deported-if-he-didn’t-get-another-visa-extension Obama entered into a quid-pro-quo: marriage of convenience/necessity/desperation. I suspect Obama,Sr. lied to the INS about the child being his, and where it was born - because it was essential for him to promote the charade of being its father. I suspect all these things are the primary reason there is nothing - NOTHING - of Barry’s existance in Hawaii, or of his mother’s being in Hawaii [except for fall ‘61 semester] - until after Obama left Hawaii for Harvard in August, 1962. And even at that, there is no tangible evidence of Stanley Ann & Barry being there until photos of him when he appears closer to three than to two years old.

This seems to be the most reasonable scenario of what 'really' happened.

Regardless of what really happened. It got solidified into legal reality with the divorce settlement. Regardless of what sham was being run for what ever reason that created a legal reality. And one that is problem if one wants to be President. i.e. a foreign national, never was a resident, never was citizen father.

116 posted on 12/20/2011 8:15:07 AM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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