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To: Wonder Warthog
The problem with your research is (as usual) you are ASSUMING things you flatly don't know, and did not bother to find out. Specifically, whether or not the degrees/requirements have CHANGED in the time period between 1975 and today. The Italian comment I quoted says specifically that they HAVE changed, and that the degree that Rossi has was, at one time, the highest degree offered at Milan, but is no longer so. That commentor doesn't get into specifics as to what current degrees/requirements are. And in fact your own U. of Milan link ALSO says that the university made major changes in degrees and requirements in the 1990's, but doesn't give specifics as to what things were chaned FROM.

There is no indication that Rossi's degree isn't perfectly legitimate for the time and place granted. Other than, of course, your imagination.

Your problem is that you want so badly to believe that Rossi is genuine that you're willing to overlook just about anything that contradicts that belief.

So what if the Italians changed their laws specifying requirements for a degree? It's highly unlikely that such changes were very substantial as far as actual work required for a given degree. I especially doubt that the requirements for PhDs were made MORE strict than when Rossi supposedly attended university.

It also doesn't help your case to quote an Italian as saying that until 1986, the highest degree offered was a Master's. That is, in effect, saying that it was impossible for Rossi to even get a doctorate.

Last, I will reiterate that the degree Rossi claims to have earned from the U of Milan, the "Dottore Magistrale in Filosofia", is a Master's degree in Philosophy. It not only is not a doctorate, it isn't even a science degree. I don't know about you, but I've never dealt with philosophers in the lab. It appears to me that the specific degree name was selected so as to convey the impression that Rossi has a level of education that he does not; the Italian words for "Master's degree in Philosophy" sure do look like the English words "Doctor of Philosophy". Too bad (for Rossi) that we have Google and can check these things out.

51 posted on 12/20/2011 7:48:48 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Our funny little friends at WIKI have a piece on Italian Academic Degrees and until recently you could only get ONE DEGREE TITLE in Italy ~ the Dottore.

You might want to read about that before getting too terribly excited one way or the other.

Wiki says that this often confuses foreigners.

53 posted on 12/20/2011 8:19:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: exDemMom
"Your problem is that you want so badly to believe that Rossi is genuine that you're willing to overlook just about anything that contradicts that belief."

Horse manure.

"So what if the Italians changed their laws specifying requirements for a degree? It's highly unlikely that such changes were very substantial as far as actual work required for a given degree. I especially doubt that the requirements for PhDs were made MORE strict than when Rossi supposedly attended university."

If you had bothered to do a bit of work, you would have found out that the changes were quite substantial. My impression was that a new degree was added that WAS the equivalent of a US doctorate.

"It also doesn't help your case to quote an Italian as saying that until 1986, the highest degree offered was a Master's. That is, in effect, saying that it was impossible for Rossi to even get a doctorate."

The Italian quote said that the degree was "dottore", which at that time was probably, in effort, EQUIVALENT to a US Masters degree, not that it was a Master's degree. European and American degree levels are NOT equivalent.

Again, you are assuming things without checking.

"Last, I will reiterate that the degree Rossi claims to have earned from the U of Milan, the "Dottore Magistrale in Filosofia", is a Master's degree in Philosophy. It not only is not a doctorate, it isn't even a science degree."

My degree says "Doctor of Philosophy". Does that make me a philsopher?? I certainly took a whole bunch of science classes. Without knowing what course work was taken, neither you nor I can know precisely what the overall background in science Rossi gained from his university work was. At "liberal arts" type universities, a degree can vary substantially between people even though the final title on the diploma says the same degree level was attained.

"I don't know about you, but I've never dealt with philosophers in the lab. It appears to me that the specific degree name was selected so as to convey the impression that Rossi has a level of education that he does not; the Italian words for "Master's degree in Philosophy" sure do look like the English words "Doctor of Philosophy". Too bad (for Rossi) that we have Google and can check these things out.

Maybe you should actually spend MORE time on Google. An actual "Masters degree in Philosophy" transates as "Laurea in Filosofia". "Doctors degree in Philosophy" translates precisely as "Dottore in Filosofia". Your assumptions are once again in error.

You must really have thunder thighs, as you spend so much time jumping to conclusions.

61 posted on 12/21/2011 9:30:36 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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