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Can any fellow Freeper confirm this? I don't want to spread rumor.
1 posted on 12/09/2011 5:30:11 AM PST by Kartographer
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What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.


2 posted on 12/09/2011 5:34:11 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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Just WOW.


3 posted on 12/09/2011 5:36:14 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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A guy heard it from a veteran who heard it from a store owner........

Keep your powder dry guys.


5 posted on 12/09/2011 5:40:20 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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I was under the impression based upon another article you posted that the Mormon canneries have stopped allowing non-Mormons to purchase from the canneries due to increased demand from the general public and wildly fluctuating commodities pricing in the last year and a half.

Do you remember that article?


8 posted on 12/09/2011 5:52:21 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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Is this facility run by a church?
Is the work of the facility a religious endeavor?
Or is it commerce?
A church can engage in commerce, but then it has to follow the rules of commerce.
Selling food and supplies in bulk is commerce.
The government typically requires those engaged in commerce to keep records what is sold and to whom and at what price.

The government requires the local meat packing plant, and Nabisco and Sams Club to keep records of what is sold and to whom and at what price.

It seems these laws also apply to bulk sales of food, regardless of why the food is being sold.

As a minimum, revenue has to be tracked for IRS purposes, even if they sell one apple at a time.

Is the federal govt trying to enforce the law?
Has this facility been following the record keeping requirements?

1. Are you mad because the laws seem intrusive?
2. Are you mad because the laws are being enforced?
3. Are you mad because this facility is being singled out?
4. Are you mad because the law finally caught up with this facility?

Its hard to tell.


12 posted on 12/09/2011 6:07:00 AM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food.

Upon any such visit, the first question MUST be:

"Do you have a warrant signed by a judge? If not, please get off my property right now, before I call 911 and report a defiant trespass".

And you should call your attorney immediately and put him on speakerphone to talk to the agents.

13 posted on 12/09/2011 6:09:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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Nobody knows what the intent was - they could be tracking a bad guy and he was doing business with this food storage or engaging in fraud or money laundering and they are trying to tie some things together.

I read the article, unfortunately, and the tin foil is immense.

The Costco and Sam's by my house probably do more business in a few days in bulk food sales than this cannery does in a week.

The article speculates that, and I quote:

1. DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation.

This is so damn retarded I don't even know where to start. If they want to confiscate food, they aren't going to be knocking on our doors and asking for our 40 boxes of Macaroni or our 20 boxes of powdered milk. They will go to the distribution centers and confiscate those 18 wheelers you see on the road delivering food to Wal-Mart, Target, Safeway, Randalls, Piggly Wiggly.

This idea that they are tracking the bulk food purchases of individuals is retarded, because once the food leaves the facility, they have no idea whether it's going to be used up by a large family within two months or whether it's going to a church soup kitchen to be used up within two weeks.

They aren't going to waste their time piddling around with searching our pantries, they are going to go to the source of the food. They are going to go to Kellogs, Pilgrim's Pride, Borden, or to the distributors like Wal-Mart, Safeway, etc. It only takes one person to confiscate an 18 wheeler full of food. It would take a lot of agents and a lot of time trying to get an equivalent amount of food from individuals.
14 posted on 12/09/2011 6:10:26 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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“... federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food...”

Happy to comply if you have a statutory authority and warrant. No? Sorry, have a nice day, and the door is thataway.


16 posted on 12/09/2011 6:14:58 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information.

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What kind of "federal agents" were these? Is it likely they would just leave after "several minutes"? Wouldn't they have a warrant?

25 posted on 12/09/2011 6:26:18 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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It sounds like more info can be found, along with maps of the secret FEMA camps!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=A+fellow+veteran+contacted+me+concerning+a+new+and+disturbing+development&btnK=#q=A+fellow+veteran+contacted+me+concerning+a+new+and+disturbing+development&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=txviTtKXEuqviAKDwNj2Bw&start=20&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=b3da78f8c008cf8b&biw=1095&bih=703

32 posted on 12/09/2011 6:42:42 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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They’re trying to identify “domestic terrorist”.

The Obama adminstration has recently added “has stockpiled food as emergency rations” as a warning sign that someone is a potential domestic terrorist.

Other warning signs on the list include:

* Owns a gun
* Has a Gadsden flag bumper sticker on their car
* Is a fundamentalist Christian


33 posted on 12/09/2011 6:42:47 AM PST by Brookhaven
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And while the door-to-door preparedness assessments in Tennessee appears to be well intended (and we spoke with a friendly state preparedness officer who said it was motivated by the recent natural disasters in Tennessee), Americans are well justified in being concerned about such efforts and how that information may be used in the future, in light of these other well documented and confirmed incidents of federal law enforcement collecting information on those who purchase preparedness items and indicating that the purchases of those items may be “indicators of terrorist activity.”

Yup, Mr. Whitey McCrackerhonkey is the terrorist and not Muzzies like the Ft. Hood one that went on a jihad and murdered 17 infidels. His act was one of “workplace violence.” It could have been a “man-made disaster” too if it had turned into something more than that.


34 posted on 12/09/2011 6:44:26 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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Confirmed report of an uncomfirmed report received from an unknown person at an unknown cannery involving an unknown manager and unknown federal agents in an unknown town or city.

=8-)


55 posted on 12/09/2011 7:40:55 AM PST by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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Makes perfect sense to me that this would happen. Homeland Security’s only terrorist concerns are now all focused on the “domestic” nature thanks to the new administration.

There really isn’t any domestic terrorists so this enormous agencies’ assets have to do SOMETHING with their time. Doing things like this, or making up terrorists charges against old white men in North Georgia over castor beans seems to be the new plan.

This is simply about the administration using Bush’s Homeland Security creation to crack down on white folks. Obama gets off on it!


65 posted on 12/09/2011 9:32:54 AM PST by The Toll
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Doesn’t that legislation just passed by the Senate which allows for holding terror suspects without trial identify the stockpiling food as one indicator of a possible terrorist?


66 posted on 12/09/2011 9:35:23 AM PST by SoJoCo
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I dont' have time now, but plan to read the info on the following link to see if it substantiates the government's ability to regulate via Executive Order our ability to store/hoard food and goods. If anyone else that can shed any knowledge of this matter, please share your info.

What Do Executive Orders Say About Storing?

From my initial quick scan of the link above, it appears to revolve around Executive Order 10998--Federal seizure of all food supplies and resources, public and private and all farms and equipment

Here is what the analysis at the link concludes:

Bottom line, even though federal legislation does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's eyes.

71 posted on 12/09/2011 9:53:15 AM PST by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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