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To: STARWISE

I don’t disagree with you. But when a bill like SB 1867 passes the senate.... My God....

Its all based upon law to be found in the USA Patriot act. It isn’t even writing new law. Its reaffirming what is already on the books, and it does open us up to a government beyond any semblance of control - under leadership willing to use it like that. I don’t know about you, but I don’t trust Obama as far as I could throw his angry wife.

When we have laws being written which cold be abused as this opens us up to, we are in grave danger from that government.

Shoot, given the fact I disproved Hawaii’s illegal stance that no long forms are ever given out, which led to enough pressure being applied to Obama to force him to release that apparent forgery of a long form.... does that make me a dangerous dissident of the government? Will the regime come and arrest me? That I even have to ask the question disturbs the crap out of me, and like it should everyone who vocally disagrees with this government.

My dad had a problem with the USA Patriot Act in this regard, and I have to admit, that he was right to question it. The Government should NOT have the right to hold an American Citizen with out trial for ANY amount of time, let alone indefinitely.


25 posted on 12/06/2011 4:50:58 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: STARWISE; Danae
Benjamin Franklin said, “Those who would give up essential freedoms for temporary security deserve neither.”

In 1787, before our current constitution was written, there was an armed rebellion in Massachusetts of veterans of the revolutionary war and small land owners who believed the courts were being unreasonable and tyrannical in their methods of executing foreclosures on farm properties. This very short lived conflict is referred to as the Shays Rebellion, and is believed by some historians to have provided the impetus for creating our Constitution.( It was a very few months later that the Constitutional Convention was convened.) Later that same year Thomas Jefferson wrote to a friend regarding this rebellion saying, “…God forbid that we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. …We have had 13 states independant 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

26 posted on 03/04/2012 8:45:08 PM PST by CapeCod1632 ("Men who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn)
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