Progressivism and the quest for state authority, through alcohol

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[ProgressingAmerica]

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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

[GeronL]

It was the Progressive Movement that got Prohibition passed.

[bamahead]

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[cripplecreek]

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[dynamitehack]

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[dcwusmc]

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[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

It was the Progressive Movement that got Prohibition passed.

It was a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, passed by 2/3 of both houses of Congress and ratified in short order by 3/4 of the states.

It was BOTH Progressives and the Religious Right that passed it. It was not the "legislating of morality". For the Right, it was the legislating of religious dogma. For the Progressives, it was the creation of federal police power.

For the New Deal, a constitutional amendment was no longer necessary. Everything from wheat to marijuana could be controlled simply by corrupting the Interstate Commerce Clause. Once again both got something they wanted. The Religious Right got to ban opium and other intoxicants except alcohol and Progressives got to regulate everything else.

Antonin Scalia, darling of the Right, is in line with Progressives on the corrupt Commerce Clause because it is the only support for his treasured War on Drugs. It is also the only support for much of the rest of the regulatory bureacracy. In fact, Clarence Thomas is the only reliable vote on the Supreme Court for the original meaning of Interstate Commerce in the Constitution. The rest are Religious Right enforcing church dogma or Progressives moving us to socialism. Both work together as STATISTS for their respective agendas.

[GeronL]

Oh I get it, another pothead trying to pass himself off as a ‘conservative’.

Liberaltarians; free sex with anything that moves and drugs.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

And you are a statist passing himself off as a conservative.
You are willing to support the Left in everything because somebody might have a buzz.

I want to bring the whole edifice down.
If you want to smack the “potheads” at the state or local level, go for it.
There never was authority in the Constitution for the feds to do any of it until Prohibition.
Without an Amending exception, it ALL goes through the Wickard v Filburn (1942) Commerce decision, which concerned WHEAT, not drugs. That came later.

So which is it - everything is Interstate Commerce (including forcing you to buy Obamacare) or only what the founders meant by it?

I think you lose either way.

For a “pothead”, I see the issues clearer that you do.

[GeronL]

lol.

How do you feel about age of consent laws?

You probably think 11 year olds have every right to be diddled by an adult, right? That is how pervs always state it, the childs right. ha. perverts.

[Diana in Wisconsin]

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

State matter and nothing to do with commerce.
Can’t you focus on the issue at hand - Federalism?

Overturn Wickard v Filburn
Repeal the 17th Amendment

[Absolutely Nobama]

You forgot to bash Antonin Scalia for not believing the states have a right secede, Paulbot.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Yes, the statists are out in force.

The reason conservatism can’t win is because there are no conservatives.

As for Paul, he’s an ass on foreign policy. Wrong again.

[Absolutely Nobama]

Newsflash: Conservatism is also about morality. This is why the vast majority of Conservatives oppose the legalization of drugs, enforcing age of consent laws, etc.

This is not a Liberaltarian site. Keep that in mind.

[little jeremiah]

What do you think about homosexuals in the military?

(Thinking about a thread about Ron Paul I just posted on.)

[little jeremiah]

Exactly.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

That’s why you can’t do anything with liberals.

The War on Drugs and every other federal regulation goes through the same constitutional clause.

You can’t separate them except by Amendment and you know you can’t get that done.

Neither Left nor Right has enough support to rule on its own.

So you are catch-22ed, stuck with the big government we got plus or minus a bit at the margins.

Supporting the Left while leaning to the Right and just throwing names and nonsequiturs at argument because you are clueless.

Learn it. Live it. Love it. As Rush says.

But I’m open to suggestions if you ever find one.

[Absolutely Nobama]

Quite frankly, I’m just as tired of liberaltarian psuedo-intellectualism as I am Progressivik pseudo-intellectualism.

No, I don’t believe in the imaginary wall between church and state. Guess what, I don’t believe in the legalization of drugs and prostitution. You know what ? I don’t believe in “gay rights”, gays sering openly in the military, or gay marriage. If that makes me a “statist” in the eyes of the liberaltarians, so be it. These are my beliefs. They are unchanging and uncompromising. Just like I’m not bowing down to the finger wagging of the Authoritarian Left, I’m not bowing down to the bong wagging of the liberaltarians.