Posted on 11/28/2011 7:45:02 AM PST by jmaroneps37
Today, maybe. Tomorrow, maybe not. This usurper and Congress has gone out of their way to destroy America, the Constitution and our way of life.
Fifteen more minutes for McCain. Years of tyranny for Americans. Please go away Juan.
Because Obama is trying to ignore the law and Constitution. Democrats and the GOP support this legislation and Obama is opposed to it. If Obama does a veto, it’s going to hurt his re-election. Democratic elected reps and senators know Obama IA going to lose and they are trying to save their own jobs.
“The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself” - Paul Watson at Infowars.com quoting Chris Anders. This sounds incredibly similar to the event which allowed Adolph Hitler to assume dictatorial powers in Germany in 1933 when Weimar Republic President Hindenburg signed Hitler’s emergency decree the day after the German Reichstag (Parliament) fire, which the Nazi’s themselves set to aggrandize power. That Reichstag Fire Edict officially suspended any section of the German Constitution that guaranteed individual liberties and civil rights. If this is passed, Obama essentially has the same dictatorial powers since the military answers to him and him alone. Whoever he deems a ‘terrorist’, including any of his political opponents, is subject to arrest and indefinite detention without trial according to my current understanding of this legislation. The fact that this was drafted totally in secrete behind closed doors is further proof of how insidious a piece of legislation this really is here, one that would not bear up to close scrutiny prior to a vote.
I never mentioned any particular pol in my replies. None can be trusted and even if they were trustworthy today it doesn’t mean they will be tomorrow. So, lets stick to the facts. In my last reply I said ‘They’ll define it however they please to suit their agenda de jour. Remember if they get their way then its their defn which prevails w/o any further review. How are you seeing this as not a bad thing??’
Can you answer my question rationally? If so Id like to hear it.
Rationality was, I believe, implicit in both my answers. Sticking to the facts: the fact that the rational relation of “associated entities” with the clearly defined “covered persons” (AQ and Taliban) militates against expanding that definition was, I thought, fairly clear. The executors of this law cannot say, e.g., the San Antonio Spurs or the Tea Party Patriots are an “associated entity” of AQ and thereby make it so.
OK, fair enough, it didn’t sound like it to me. However, rationality isn’t necessarily the way decisions are made in DC. This becomes an even bigger problem when judicial review is removed from the picture. It won’t be senators making the calls, that will be cabinets heads and supervisors (like those who gave us F&F). In short while today the nebulous wording might not be a problem thats won;t necessarily be the case in the future. Why are we giving more power to DC esp to name their bad guys de jour and circumvent due process?
Perhaps related, and to my mind more important, why was this provision “drafted in secret”? Section 1031 doesn’t look as though it relies on classified information, unless that’s how they came up with the “associated entities” and decided not to name more than AQ and Taliban.
Nothing about this seems right. So, having more infos than not would be good. However, from what little is known it sounds like a poor idea.
Homeland inSecurity has DEFINED domestic terrorists against the US and all the Rino’s and DNC’s political enemies. They even named Iraqi vets as terrorists. Have we not noticed Obama’s regime sexually molesting Americans, of all ages, at the airports claiming they might be carrying bombs. Did we not hear Maxine Waters at a recent hearing shouting that Christians are more dangerous than jihadists to the country? Do we not see the Muslims being made the victim pets of our government - including the DOD while the homeland security machinery redirects itself to target American-Americans instead?
Have we not seen enough to know what our DOD will be directed to do with this power to lock up domestic terrorists without a trial?
This government is not our parent’s government. It is not worthy of extra-constitutional power or trust to any degree. It must be devolved and muted. Surely Mr. Traitor McLame is not worthy of trust.
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