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To: light-bulb
I believe in Free Trade amongst the 50 states. Outsourcing production to make a few more pennies on the dollar while leaving the tax payer on the hook for "social services" for the unemployed factory workers isn't free trade, it needs another word.

And no, not everyone can re-train to be a doctor or an electrical engineer. There are some people who can only manage a simple repetitive task, God bless them, IQ being a factor.

77 posted on 11/27/2011 7:46:01 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Just when we had some common ground on Tariffs which I actually found very valid! I like your concept of equal Tariffs.

However, where we are polar opposites... I believe in the American people’s ability to overcome and adapt. I do believe that some are inherently lazy and don’t want to be retrained, and for them too bad. McD’s and WalMart are hiring, along with Farmers to pick fruit. But that is their choice as there are 1000’s of jobs between Doctor and an EE. (Frankly who’d choose to be a Doc right now... eek)

I believe that given a reason we as a people can do anything.
If by repetition you mean putting a washer on a bolt... no. It will end. Automation will improve, and improve; hell robots will soon remove Chinese workers as well. In fact look at FoxConn recently. (They make the Apple hardware) They have identified that they will be purchasing LOTS of robots.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/01/us-foxconn-robots-idUSTRE77016B20110801

Liberals have complained for years how Apple doesn’t care about the low wage earners etc... So now... they won’t use human labor at all. It’s a real win-win isn’t it! Now 400,000 Chinese workers will be out-of-work. Bonus!

The same has and will continue to happen here. However, once we have Robots replacing Chinese workers... then the next opportunity will be running robots as efficiently and cheaply as possible. That means cheap energy costs, cheap taxes etc. That means companies creating robots cheaply.

Equilibrium is already starting to happen between the Chinese labor force and us. Factor in the cost of shipping and handling and it’s getting VERY close. So once the Chinese use Robots... well we can use robots...

Making a few more pennies IS the point. The government and unions continue to lie to the people about how “unfair” it is to outsource... when instead they should be leading to create a modernized competitive work-force. And that means NEVER ceasing to learn, and never giving up on trying to improve oneself. The days when a Union worker would be paid more $ each year for doing the exact same thing are over. (In my opinion) Giving a raise for doing the exact same job is just bad business unless a competitive company is trying to hire your people. Why in the world would I pay someone more each year to do the same job? Jeez I actually think I should pay a person less each year to incentive them to grow!

My 3 rules still hold true here. If the government gets the hell out of the way and allows us to unleash our creative American spirit we can completely change the world. But for now, many will stay on the side-lines believing it’s not worth the risk with so much uncertainty.

Cheers,


81 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:26 AM PST by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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To: central_va

Just when we had some common ground on Tariffs which I actually found very valid! I like your concept of equal Tariffs.

However, where we are polar opposites... I believe in the American people’s ability to overcome and adapt. I do believe that some are inherently lazy and don’t want to be retrained, and for them too bad. McD’s and WalMart are hiring, along with Farmers to pick fruit. But that is their choice as there are 1000’s of jobs between Doctor and an EE. (Frankly who’d choose to be a Doc right now... eek)

I believe that given a reason we as a people can do anything.
If by repetition you mean putting a washer on a bolt... no. It will end. Automation will improve, and improve; hell robots will soon remove Chinese workers as well. In fact look at FoxConn recently. (They make the Apple hardware) They have identified that they will be purchasing LOTS of robots.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/01/us-foxconn-robots-idUSTRE77016B20110801

Liberals have complained for years how Apple doesn’t care about the low wage earners etc... So now... they won’t use human labor at all. It’s a real win-win isn’t it! Now 400,000 Chinese workers will be out-of-work. Bonus!

The same has and will continue to happen here. However, once we have Robots replacing Chinese workers... then the next opportunity will be running robots as efficiently and cheaply as possible. That means cheap energy costs, cheap taxes etc. That means companies creating robots cheaply.

Equilibrium is already starting to happen between the Chinese labor force and us. Factor in the cost of shipping and handling and it’s getting VERY close. So once the Chinese use Robots... well we can use robots...

Making a few more pennies IS the point. The government and unions continue to lie to the people about how “unfair” it is to outsource... when instead they should be leading to create a modernized competitive work-force. And that means NEVER ceasing to learn, and never giving up on trying to improve oneself. The days when a Union worker would be paid more $ each year for doing the exact same thing are over. (In my opinion) Giving a raise for doing the exact same job is just bad business unless a competitive company is trying to hire your people. Why in the world would I pay someone more each year to do the same job? Jeez I actually think I should pay a person less each year to incentive them to grow!

My 3 rules still hold true here. If the government gets the hell out of the way and allows us to unleash our creative American spirit we can completely change the world. But for now, many will stay on the side-lines believing it’s not worth the risk with so much uncertainty.

Cheers,


82 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:35 AM PST by light-bulb (Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum)
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