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http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg56466.html


Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price
Aussie Guy E-Cat
Tue, 22 Nov 2011 01:15:21 -0800

Just placed my order for 10 x 10 kW plants. Will install them, at no cost in my, by children and by friends homes. Rossi said in the radio interview that they had cleared the certification issues and they expected the 10 kW plants to be available in less than 12 months. With a price of $5,400 for a 10 kW thermal plant, this will really upset the market. That is $0.54 / Watt of heat. Assuming the 20 year life Rossi claimed in the interview, the simple LCOE is so small as to make the energy almost free at $0.003 / kWh. At 30% efficiency heat kW to Ac kW with 3 Ac kW output, the electricity price rises to $0.01 / kWh. Good bye grid. It all changes.

AG


On 11/22/2011 7:20 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=34#comment-126867

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Andrea Rossi
November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM


Dear Felipe From Chile:
You are right, we are organizing this.
BY THE WAY: WE COLLECT FROM NOW THE NAMES OF ALL THE PERSONS OR
ENITITES INTERESTED TO BUY AN E-CAT OF 10 KW. IF WE WILL REACH
10,000 NAMES IN THE LIST, THE PERSONS IN THE WAITING LIST WILL HAVE
THE RIGHT TO CONFIRM OR NOT THEIR ORDER AT 400 EURO/THERMAL KW. DO
NOT SEND MONEY, WE WILL ACCEPT THE ORDERS ONLY IF WE WILL REACH
10,000 NAMES IN THE WAITING LIST, COMBINING OUR LIST WITH THE
WAITING LIST ORGANIZED BY OUR BROTHERS OF HYDROFUSION .
WARM REGARDS,
ANDREA ROSSI, LEONARDO CORP. (PRESIDENT)

EUR4,000 (USD5,400) for a 10 kW heat / hot water plant

[Bellflower]

If this thing turns out to be real and when we first know for sure that it is are you going to invest in it if possible? If so have you thought about how?

[Ron/GA]

I’m in for three of them.

It will be interesting to watch this phase develop.

[bigbob]

“At 30% efficiency heat kW to Ac kW”

I must be missing something - today’s thermoelectric devices (Seebeck generators or thermopiles) run 6 to 10% efficiency - that new nanotech material might get it to 15% - so where is the 30% number from? A gas turbine generator maybe? What would the total cost of an E-Cat and turbine genset be?

[dinodino]

We are expected to believe that this thing has a twenty year lifespan? And no refueling? What is the cost for refueling?

[Liberty1970]

Did you see the news about a fellow named 'Chan' reporting independent verification of a home-built E-cat unit? E-catworld.com had a link to the report, which included what appears to be enough detail for anyone to build their own unit.

Naturally this could be a part of a complex con game, but it puts the E-cat into the realm of openly verifiable science. If others can step forward and replicate the results, and are willing to be identified (Chan really needs to do so for this to be worth anything), then it looks like this is for real.

I have to admit I am wondering if I could do something like this in my garage... but messing with propane gas like he described, the questions in the comments section about gamma rays, and the welding are kind of beyond my comfort level. So who wants to be the first Freeper to build an E-cat? ;-)