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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:They're called "Shills" and they are a typical part of any big scam. Notice that after almost a month, there is still no evidence at all that Rossi's mysterious "NATO Colenel" actually exists.
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,Again, not at all unusual for a big scam. STEORN has been doing this for over a decade. TILLEY and PRIEST kept their scams going for more than five years each.
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
Scientists are often the easiest to fool. They assume that everyone involved is telling the truth. They assume that any falsehoods will be uncovered when the experiments are replicated by independent researchers. Unfortunately, Rossi won't allow that, so all they have is Rossi's word.
Notice that Rossi refuses to share, even with his associates listed above, how the E-Cat works, how it is made and what nuclear reactions may or may not be occurring within. Levi wrote a paper where he speculated about what might be going on, but his paper doesn't match what little actual evidence Rossi has produced.
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,Whether "cold fusion" really exists is an entirely separate issue from whether or not Rossi is a con artist. They both could be true. After all, the fact that electric cars are real didn't prevent TILLEY from creating an elaborate, multi-year fraud around his phoney electric car.
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
SPAWAR has denied that they had, or were considering purchasing an E-Cat [LINK]
There isn't any actual evidence that either The Defense Threat Reduction Agency or The Defense Intelligence Agency have had anything to do with Rossi. Both are nothing more than rumors spread by Rossi's partner, Sterling D. Allan.
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,Note that both Defkalion and AmpEnergo were created specifically to hype Rossi's claims. Also note that you can't show any evidence AmpErengo has actually paid Rossi anything.
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]There is no evidence that there was a "genuine" customer at the October 28th dog & pony show. There is no evidence that the mysterious "NATO Colonel" who supposedly ran the test for the "secret customer" actually exists. In spite of the massive amount of research being done on this story, no one has found even one reference to this man other than Rossi's claim. It's incredible that a NATO Colonel and professional engineer wouldn't leave any trace of himself anywhere. No professional organizations, no newpaper stories about his being promoted in NATO, no nothing.
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him outRossi has tightly controlled every aspect of the dog & pony shows he has performed. Your friend, Jed Rothwell, turned down an invitation to attend a Rossi performance because Rossi wouldn't allow him to bring his own test equipment.
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.No one has ever accused Rossi of being an idiot. There's no question that he's very smart. The question is whether he's used his intelligence to create a wonderful new invention, or just a new variation on the typical con job.
Sure, I'll believe that.