“PEOPLE WERE SCREAMING, ‘TRAITORS!’”

The Post & Email ^ | November 19, 2011 | Sharon Rondeau

[Docs Galore]

Atty. Orly Taitz reported the following from the Ballot Law Commission hearing in Concord, NH regarding her election complaint against Barack Hussein Obama for social security fraud and forgery:

[TheBigJ]

How did the couple travel to Kenya? Boats would have taken months. Airlines did not allow late term pregnant women to fly internationally, back then. What airline was there? BOAC (British Overseas Air Corp. -- or close enough) flew into Hawaii, and Kenya. There were two flights a week into Kenya. One from Cairo, one from India. In DC3s.

BOAC ran flights from Nairobi, to Glascow, to Vancouver.

Why did BO's daddy spend money he didn't have, to take his American "wife" to Kenya? So that she could meet his other wives, and give birth to his child under third world conditions?

BOAC British Overseas Airways Corporation allowed students, missionary and military to fly free or at reduced rates if the flight wasn’t full. Stanley Ann estranged from parents and left for a third world country with a foreigner, and had a baby. Behavior she would repeat again in Indonesia.

And if they somehow did manage to get there, and have BO born in Kenya, how did they get him to Hawaii, with no passport, and no paper trail?

Did the baby come back? Corsi in his book summarizes well, but his witness statements that lil Barry was in Seattle from the babysitter and Blake are not reliable. There were other witnesses, friends of Stanley Ann who never mentioned a baby. Why not? Was Barry raised by "grandma" Sara? And Stanley Ann picks him up later? Her whereabouts are unaccounted for after Spring quarter 1962 at Univ of Washington til Spring quarter 1963 at Univ of Hawaii.

And why the conspiracy since BO's birth, if not before, to fake his place of birth?

Everything hidden, from Stanley Ann Dunham's passport records that were "destroyed" (contrary to State Dept protocol) to the missing page 11 which would have been Zero's birth certificate required for a divorce proceeding in the divorce papers 1964, to no pregnant Stanley Ann photos or baby Barry pics with providence to Zero not mentioning the name Barry Soetoro in "Dreams..." is all for a reason.

And if there was any grain of truth to it, how come the Clintons didn't dig it up, and and have some third party drop it on BO?

The same Clinton who stood with Zero and got the foreign born fraud on Panama soil the ineligible non natural born citizen John McCain on the ballot with Resolution 511? After failing a month earlier with the Children of Military Families Act? We could ask the same questions there. The ruling class do whatever they want. Cooperation much more profitable than competition.

[DiogenesLamp]

OK. But did they change the date, time or place, or is that exactly the same on both? I've seen Texas birth certificates, issued after an adoption, that show the names, and addresses, of the adoptive American parents, but the date, time and place of the birth is copied exactly from the original birth certificate. Even when it was an international adoption. Texas birth certificate, foreign place of birth.

The Date is the same on both documents. However, the verbiage is carefully chosen. It says:

"I hereby certify that this child was born alive on the date stated above. "

This allows the Doctor's attestation to remain operative no matter when the document was created.

Yes. But BO has either gotten the State of Hawaii to issue a copy of his original birth certificate, which may, or may not, have been superseded when he was adopted, or you believe in a half century old conspiracy to fake the place of BO's birth, so that he could run for President one day.

There is a third possibility. Firstly, I do not believe there is any half century conspiracy to get Obama elected. I regard his election as a quirk in which the media pulled out all the stops and exerted it's political power. Secondly, I do not believe that Hawaii has produced Barack's "ORIGINAL" birth certificate. I suspect it lies sealed somewhere in Hawaii under court order. Thirdly, Hawaiian law appears to allow the creation of a birth certificate for the children of it's citizens regardless of where they are born. This is Unusual to my way of thinking. As far as I know, no other state will do such a thing. I firmly believe that the state of Hawaii became aware of the existence of Barack Obama in August of 1961. I believe the filing of his birth certificate is what prompted the newspaper announcements as appears to have been usual for that time and place. Barack may have very well been born in Hawaii, but there is an outside chance he was born in Canada.

Adoption would be an explanation for an inability to produce a "long form" birth certificate -- in many adoptions the adoptive family will never have had an original "long form" birth certificate. But adoption explains nothing about the long form birth certificate BO has produced, unless you are alleging that it too is a post adoption birth certificate, and that BO has yet another, earlier birth certificate.

That is my thinking. I believe it was Janice Okubo who described having seen his original birth record. She described it as "half typed, Half written." What has been presented does not look like this, if she is to be taken literally.

The fabled Kenyan Birth at least would have, under the law as it stood at the time, disqualified BO from the Presidency. Heck, it would have made him an illegal alien.

But it never made any sense. How did the couple travel to Kenya? Boats would have taken months. Airlines did not allow late term pregnant women to fly internationally, back then. What airline was there? BOAC (British Overseas Air Corp. -- or close enough) flew into Hawaii, and Kenya. There were two flights a week into Kenya. One from Cairo, one from India. In DC3s.

I have never bought the born in Kenya theory. This American Thinker article does a good job debunking it in my opinion.

None of that ever made any sense. At all. And if there was any grain of truth to it, how come the Clintons didn't dig it up, and and have some third party drop it on BO?

I do not regard the fact that the Clintons were not able to torpedo him as proof of anything. Barry hangs with some pretty nasty types in his adopted home town Chicago. Perhaps his crooks were better than Clinton's crooks. They certainly managed to get his state rep and US senate opponents tripped up with their dirty tricks.

As for making sense, not much of his story makes sense as it is currently told. Surely you have read Jack Cashill's articles on what a weird little family Barry and Stanly were? The Canadian thing actually DOES make sense. In 1961, when a girl ended up pregnant (to say nothing of an interracial pregnancy in 1961, which was actually ILLEGAL in some states. ) it was not uncommon to send her away to live with relatives, and sometimes give up the child for adoption. As it should happen, Stanley Ann Dunham appears to have had both an Aunt and an Uncle (Ralph Dunham)living in Washington. (Wow. I just went to my permanent link showing that Eleanor Berkebile lived in Blaine Washington, and all references to Eleanor Berkebile are now gone. There used to be a dozen or so Eleanor Berkebiles, but now a search brings up nothing. )

Anyway, if Stanley Ann went to live with Aunt Eleanor, the nearest hospital was just across the border in White Rock Canada. This would better explain how she showed up at her friends house in Seattle in the later part of August of 1961. Rather than hop a plane to fly 2800 miles shortly after giving birth, (and leaving her best support structure (her mother) behind in Hawaii) it makes more sense for Stanly Ann to have been up there giving birth in the first place. (Not that making sense is a requirement with this Woman.)

At least Orly has given up on trying to litigate BO out of office, and is filing ballot access lawsuits. I've been telling Birthers that was their only shot for 18 months. Now she didn't form a political party, and get a Birther on the ballot, so the lawsuit is not Candidate A vs. Candidate B, which I've told Birthers is their best shot. But Disgruntled Conspiracy Theorist vs. Candidate B is a big step up from Disgruntled Conspiracy Theorist vs.POTUS. Who knows, she may even lose this case on its lack of merits, and not the usual way -- on the fact that she is asking the court to overturn Congress's certification of the winner of the 2008 election.

I have said from the beginning that the best solution is to get a state to keep him off the ballot. What the media did in 2008, they can do again in 2012, but perhaps not as effectively. Too many people have become wise to this con-man. By the way, do you regard what the media did as a "conspiracy"? I certainly don't. Nor do I regard what those that have protected Obama from the requirement to prove his credentials have done as a conspiracy. It is just a bunch of people who think alike and are willing to operate independently for the same goal.

Who knows, she may even lose this case on its lack of merits, and not the usual way -- on the fact that she is asking the court to overturn Congress's certification of the winner of the 2008 election.

That the case never gets addressed on its merits is what is so objectionable about the way our court system has dealt with it. It ought to have been a very simple thing for a Federal Judge to issue an order to Hawaii to show the D@mned thing, and for the office of the Presidency you would think this ought to be the least objectionable thing, yet our legal system is so hidebound with it's own rules that it can't even function to protect the very document that gives it authority. (US Constitution.)

In any case, If Obama's real original birth certificate ever comes to light, I shall not be surprised to discover that it is an affidavit of home birth that was filled out by Madelyn Dunham for a child born in White Rock Canada to her goofy daughter. This would better fit the "half written, half typed" description provided by Janice Okubo. What we are seeing as his "long form" birth certificate was in my opinion cobbled together by Hawaii as a replacement birth certificate for an adopted child. That he was adopted back to his original name is another twisted piece of irony. :)

[Josephat]

What makes you think there is any chance that Americans will be ready to re-elect BO in 2012, ready to approve Obamacare, trillion dollar deficits forever, corruption, thuggery, vacillation, betraying our allies, promoting Jihadism, and all the rest. But that the discovery of some event that took place before BO’s birth, or while he was an infant, will be what it takes to swing the voters to the GOP? Does that make any sense at all?

It makes total sense because it is something EVERYONE can understand, unlike deficits, scandals, foreign intrigue, etc. If it is proven that he is not who he says he is, he is finished.

[Pharnsworth]

He is. He's also the soldier who claimed, in the same story, to have met G. Gordon Liddy's son that same summer of 1980.

Despite the fact that G. Gordon Liddy's son didn't even join the Navy until 1985.

[RaceBannon]

he he he

better read some more, it will prevent you looking like a fool as you just did

[El Sordo]

And you’ll note that BHO did not say he was born in Kenya.

[El Sordo]

“What makes you think there is any chance that Americans will be ready to re-elect BO in 2012...”

Two words: Bob Dole.

A great deal depends on who the GOP tries to run for President in 2012.

[El Sordo]

“In the service, there are some strange experiences you can go through. I met a few people who I never would have had a chance to meet; some of that good, some of that bad. I met the son of G. Gordon Liddy on board the USS Okinawa in 1980 when we were heading to Iran .”

[Pharnsworth]

"better read some more, it will prevent you looking like a fool as you just did"

I'm the fool? You wrote:

"So, I find myself standing next to a 6’2” man about 28 or so with the name LIDDY on his trousers, and I asked him, “Hey, are you related to Gordon Liddy?” His answer surprised me totally, “Yes, that's my father”. The likeness was now apparent and unmistakable and since then, I have read how one of his sons was a Navy SEAL at that time, so, that is who I met. What was embarrassing for me, was I was struck, he was among the famous persons I met while in the Corps, I commented how his dad never ratted anyone out, and he said, “No, He didn’t”. I was filled with wonder at meeting him and I told him that it felt like I was talking to a celebrity."

Meanwhile, "Liddy received his commission as an ensign on June 22, 1985."

This also means that you when you claim you've read how one of Liddy's sons was a Navy SEAL in 1980, your memory's playing tricks on you there, too.

[DiogenesLamp]

When people make erronous claims about a person, does it follow that the source of the claim must have been the person in question?

The one thing doesn't prove the other, but it certainly indicates it.

[El Sordo]

On that we simply disagree.

[DiogenesLamp]

And you’ll note that BHO did not say he was born in Kenya.

To be fair, I do not personally know the man, nor do I have access to all his statements. I do recall him saying on a video during one of his Kenya trips that "it's good to be back home."

My recollection from the very earliest time I had heard of Obama was that he was from Kenya. Nobody cared at the time because it was not germane to his run for the US Senate from Illinois. That it has been difficult to find direct statements from him to this effect is obvious, because at the time he may have made such statements, no one was bothering to save them.

Apart from that, there is the curious incidence of stuff like this.

[Brown Deer]

And you’ll note that BHO did not say he was born in Kenya.

Where in the world is Mombasa?

Barack Obama Sighting, Hawaii 1980

What strikes me most is what he said as to where he grew up: Indonesia. He told me he wanted to be President of the US someday. I remember lightly smiling and commenting that maybe by the time he gets to be 40 or so, America will be ready for a Black man to be President and I wished him luck. We spoke of the racial tensions I saw at home while growing up and I asked him if he ever saw that overseas or since he returned back to Hawaii. I don’t remember his answer, but we spoke more of his time overseas and his thoughts on life and philosophy of government. He made some strange comments to me, it was obvious he never set foot for any time in the continental United States and I told him he better realize that he is making judgments about the United States when he himself never actually lived there. I told him, “Hawaii aint the United States!”

He also told me something that I never forgot, for it caused me to do some other things in an effort to be nice to him and possibly a favor. We spoke of where I had been and the world as I saw it. I told him I had been to Africa, Mombassa specifically, and he said to me abruptly, “I was born there”.

[RaceBannon]

he hehe

how many sons does liddy have?

[RaceBannon]

You guys are in for a treat

I am an honest man, but it appears to me, someone else was NOT honest!

I am personal friends with Larry Bailey, USN, Capt, SEAL Commander, and he has access to the SEAL Database

I just had to settle this and asked him 10 minutes ago how many sons Liddy had who were SEALS

Capt Baily put JAMES Liddy through class 147 (I think he said) in 1987 or so

JAMES LIDDY is the ONLY SEAL in the database!

So, whoever I saw CLAIMED to be Gordon Liddy’s son and had me snookered for 30 years!

and if you didn’t call me out on it, I would have kept believing it.

I owe you two an apology, someone lied to me and I believed him. And if you didn’t point me to this, I wouldn’t have asked for evidence on this.

But I stand by my account: I DID meet someone who told me he was Gordon Liddy’s son...I just wish that scumwaffle wasn’t lying about it for 30 years!

I am wondering how many others he said that to!

But, you are right and I was wrong, I was lied to and have been repeating that story for 30 years, too!

[El Sordo]

Welcome to 2009.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2397370/replies?c=109

[RaceBannon]

I should have asked Larry then

I gotta admit, that could NOT have been Gordon liddy’s kid

but that name WAS LIDDY!

I bet he snookered a LOT of people now!

I got some serious egg on my face on this, I have been telling THAT story for 30 something years, it was only slightly interesting that I met someone who claimed to be born in Mombassa before Obama came along but it was a juicy tale to tell people I thought I met Gordon liddy’s son!

Seriously, meeting someone from such an obscure place, telling me he was born there, and I was just at that place 2 months previous, that was funny, kind of cool, but not as funny as me almost asking that guy, “So, When’s that JAILBIRD getting out?” which I almost did!!!

I was so embarrassed when he said he was his kid, I changed my mind and said something nice, “He didn't rat anyone out, did he?”

“No, he didn't”

Gosh, It's almost like standing next to a celebrity!

his expression was priceless, it was so sincere, and when his buddy came to his defense, called him his Lieutenant, I just backed off not knowing what to say!

and that scumwaffle was LYING TO ME!!

I hate you for disbelieving me, but if you didn't push it, I would have never known the truth!

At least I am not lying that I met someone who said these things, but a great bubble was burst tonight! LOL!

[RaceBannon]

in case you’re curious, I do still have that dollar bill, too

ask me what to pose in front of, Ill take a picture right now and post it

this thread?

[Kenny Bunk]

Well, it took Orly one hell of along time to learn the legal ropes, but this I believe to be her greatest triumph.

Here you have the entire case of constitutional legitimacy laid out for all to see. The Left claims it is not even a legitimate question.

Let's all be clear here. We have never been at the point of deciding the issue. We have always and still are at the point of discussing whether or not this IS an issue. The Left has swept it under the rug quite well. Sooner or later, all we can hope is that someone in authority will be legally forced to take official notice of the "dirty lumps" under that rug we continue to point out.

The state's reasoning in denying the request is entirely specious and nonsensical. The state legislators in NH are the very first elected representatives to take official notice of the issue of constitutional eligibility. It is a start. Be interesting to see how long this is kept of the MSM radar.

Be interesting to see if Savage, Limbaugh and Hannity ... thge silent Right Wing Yakkers ... take notice. Never mind the MSM. As far as this spreading to Maine ... and other states .... we shall see, won't we?

The question is, "What is wrong .... exactly .... with asking this question?"

[Pharnsworth]

"and if you didn’t call me out on it, I would have kept believing it."

"Welcome to 2009."

Look at that. Here you are claiming that you just now learned that your story is bogus, and Sordo shows that you've known for TWO FULL YEARS.

Well, at least you stopped telling the story after December 1, 2009, when you acknowledged the fact that it couldn't possibly be accurate.

Oh wait...you didn't:

"While on ship, I met the son of a famous political figure connected to the Watergate scandal on board the USS Okinawa in 1980 when we were heading to Iran."

That's dated December 3, 2009.

So you learned your story was bogus, and you knew that including Liddy's name PROVED it was bogus. But instead of excising the anecdote, or giving that 'Maybe I was PWNED' explanation, you still treated it as true and just cut out Liddy's name so the readers of THAT blog wouldn't be able to tell it was made-up.