Posted on 11/18/2011 9:04:36 PM PST by Kevmo
Swedish physicists run the site Ecat.com
Av: Mats Lewan
Publicerad igår, 14:04
UPDATED. Four Swedish entrepreneurs, two of them particle physicists, run the site Ecat.com which since a couple of days takes pre-orders for Andrea Rossi’s E-cat. Ny Teknik got an interview”.
Ny Teknik can now confirm that a British company, Hydrofusion, is behind the website Ecat.com which launched with full content on November 16, 2011”.
The site was anonymous at launch, but Andrea Rossi, the inventor of the E-cat, stated that the website represented his North Europe commercial branch”.
Hydrofusion is run by four Swedish entrepreneurs – CEO Magnus Holm, Niclas Sandström who is operations manager in the UK, sales manager Peter La Terra and Stefan Helgesson who is a web strategist”.
Magnus Holm has a D.Tech and Niclas Sandström a PhD in elementary particle physics at Chalmers University of Technology in Gothenburg”.
NyT: Magnus Holm, what is the purpose of the site Ecat.com?
Holm: “The aim is to be a portal to all stakeholders regarding the E-cat. In particular, we want to be as officially linked to Rossi as possible in order to capture as much commercial interest as possible through Ecat.com.”
NyT: What is your contract with Andrea Rossi?
Holm: “I can’t go into details yet”“.
NyT: Why did you start this venture?
Holm: “I had noticed the discussion on Rossi at the end of 2010. I usually laugh at most of what is called “free energy”, but the difference with cold fusion is that it definitely is an exothermic reaction (it releases energy if it happens). So we followed the test in Bologna in January 2011 on the web. And when Ny Teknik started to report, we began to look seriously at it. Then when Kullander and Essén wrote their report from Bologna in March, it had become so likely that it was real that we decided to start a venture. There was too much supporting it – all researchers who actually looked at the technology thought that it worked.”
NyT: What did you do then?
Holm: “We started by developing a web strategy in order to sell these products online.”
NyT: How did you get in touch with Rossi?
Holm: “We met him at the Defkalion press conference in Athens, Greece, in June 2011 and then booked a meeting with him later on. We had already tried to contact Defkalion which at that time had a contract with Rossi, but never received a response. Then we met with Rossi in Uppsala in July and told him about our plans and he thought it sounded interesting. Eventually we got a verbal agreement and later a letter of intent. In the meantime, we built a structure on the web.”
NyT: There is great skepticism about Rossi’s technology. How do comment on that?
Holm: “Until he makes an independent test, there is obviously a small chance that it does not work. We are willing to take that risk because it’s such an amazing technology if it works. Further support that it’s real comes from the fact that all independent physicists who have observed the tests are positive, and have expressed belief in the mechanism. I do not have much sympathy for the crowd of skeptics who insist in spending substantial time and energy, just to be able to boast a ‘what did I say’ if it should turn out to be wrong.”
NyT: How is this different from other things you are skeptical to?
Holm: “There are so many quacks in all subjects but often it shines through. Quacks know nothing, they learn a few words but they are not even mathematically consistent. But if a person comes with a theory, sets up his axioms, does the math correctly, then it is proper research and have the right to come forward.”
NyT: You have already been accused of contributing to fraud. What is your comment?
Holm: “We are not engaged in any deception, and I do not think Rossi is engaged in any fraud either. If it would turn out that it does not work, in spite of everything, I would think it is about self-deception. I believe it works. It seems strange that Focardi who has done research in this area for over 15 years and helped Rossi for four years, might have measured wrong during the entire period. It seems unlikely. However, this does of course not mean that you’ll obtain a final product that works. But fraud requires intent and I think that can be excluded. Rossi does not talk about advance of money, which could lead to suspicions of fraud. Perhaps he could deliver a product that does not work and then you can end up in schism on that, but this does not mean fraud. From our side there is in any case no attempt of fraud.”
NyT: How will you ensure that the products work before you sell them?
Holm: “This is a difficult question as it’s Rossi’s responsibility that the product works. We only act as agents. But because there are powerful forces who want to argue that it’s all about fraud, we will make one or more of the following to prove our honesty”.
1. Explain the risk with such a premature product to the customer and ensure that customers are forced only to take a minimal financial risk”.
2. Try to arrange a complete product testing before any payment is made”.
3. Ensure that all payments are done through an escrow account with a full refund if the products do not meet the specifications”.
4. Through potential funding move the financial risk from the customer to Hydrofusion”.
5. Arrange an independent reactor test as a reference that in all cases the core process works”.
The real risk is only with the first product sales. Rossi will have to correct until the first product is operating and it will then be a reference. When the first product works, the risk with the next one is greatly reduced.”
NyT: You are now taking pre-orders. When do you think you can offer commercial products?
Holm: “It's hard to say, but if the core technology works it should be possible to start mass production within one to two years. Test products can be delivered very soon, though.”
NyT: When do you think rival products will arrive?
Holm: “I think it will explode sooner or later. In a best case for Rossi, I think it takes three years from when he has serial products on the market. In a worst case it takes two to three years from now. Then he will compete against the others now. And in that case, if he doesn't have commercial products on the market within two to three years, the one with the best product and the best marketing resources will win the market, especially for consumer products. For industrial products a good network is also important to quickly gain market.”
NyT: Which do you expect to be the first applications?
Holm: “Energy in district heating systems and desalination of water. After that electricity generation on a large scale. For consumer products, security requirements are completely different and also requirements for reliability to avoid that service costs go out of control, so they will arrive further ahead.”
NyT: Whathas the response been so far?
Holm: “Far better than expected”“.
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UPDATE: Members of the Hydrofusion team were present at the October 6 test of the Ecat and the October 28 test of the heat plant. They also met with Rossi for a private demonstration of the Ecat at the end of July”.
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READ MORE: Our complete coverage on Rossi's E-cat can be found here“.
FAKTA The E-cat
The 'energy catalyzer' is loaded with nickel powder and a number of secret catalysts and is pressurized with hydrogen gas. Excess heat is possibly produced via an unknown nuclear reaction, involving nickel and hydrogen”.
Several semipublic tests have been made to demonstrate the release of net energy but no independent tests have yet been done”.
On October 28, 2011, a heat plant composed by 107 Ecat modules was tested by an anonymous customer. In a report the customer claimed a released net power of 479 kW in self sustained mode”.
What if I'm Moonman62? What if I am all the posters you see on this board? What if, in reality, it's just you and me, the Matrix has you!
... they never say that when one of you calls in the lurkers.
Is this yet another time when you confuse me with someone else? You still haven't acknowledged that you confused me with someone else in that Princess Bride quote?
You're giving Wiki a workout with your Shakespeare and Latin quotes.
Dude. Put down the bong.
THEN came the message which included the all caps -— KNOCK IT OFF.
***You’re full of bull shiite.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=54#54
That should be obvious, don't you think? How can he possibly sell something that he claims to have invented, when he cannot show that it works, nor demonstrate enough scientific knowledge to even be able to determine whether it works?
BTW, since you obviously don't know how sales work in the scientific world: when a salesman makes a pitch to a potential customer, he has to know more about the equipment he is demonstrating than the customer who he is demonstrating the equipment to. That means he has to know how the equipment works, and the scientific principles underlying its operation. He has a tough audience: his potential customers most likely have PhDs and are experts in that field of science. So, there is nothing contradictory about holding Rossi up to a scientific standard--I do no less with honest salesmen trying to sell me bona fide scientific equipment.
Since Rossi has demonstrated no scientific knowledge, and he has yet to demonstrate that his "invention" actually works--only a fool would spend any money on it.
How can he possibly sell something that he claims to have invented, when he cannot show that it works, nor demonstrate enough scientific knowledge to even be able to determine whether it works?
***He did. He sold a unit to a customer. That is the claim. Either he did, or it’s a scam.
Basically there are very few people on this planet who understand LENR. Rossi’s contribution wasn’t LENR, it was a ‘catalyst’ that made the LENR reaction more replicable. He does not have to show how he did that. All he needs is to show customers the demo and they pay cash on the barrelhead. We’re lucky to see one LENR demo a year from the rest of the field. He has done 10 in the last year.
As I’ve only pointed out several times before, the tests needed to show actual “cold fusion” (or “LENR” if you prefer to call it that) are so simple an undergraduate (or a caveman) could do them.
Rossi hasn’t done any such test. All he has done is heat some liquid, hoping we’ll believe what he won’t (or can’t) show.
His claim of achieving cold fusion is truly extraordinary; if he isn’t running (another) scam, it is really up to him to prove it. Until he does so, it would be incredibly foolish of anyone to spend money on this thing.
Other than your “Intrade” wagers, I really do hope you haven’t any money invested in this thing.
Also, we only have Rossi’s claim that someone actually bought a unit. It’s worth about as much as his other claims.
Once again, your post is filled with emotional laden content.
Rossi is selling devices. If it’s a scam, it will be found out soon enough. You can buy one yourself to prove it if you have the means and it is so important to you.
Now about that dropping of your current BULLSHIT opening comment---I notice you've been avoiding talking about that.
So it's safe for me to assume that you're just going to keep up polluting the joint with that crap, aren't you?
Yeah, I thought so. Just don't try to add the last two.
Your act is wearing quite thin, on more than a few around here.
Maybe, just maybe, if you'd change your tone a bit, right there at the starting gate, you won't being initiating as much incivility?
Every single comment I've made to you thus far here has been concerning this issue. But you refuse to address it.
Ok, have it your way. Whatever blows your skirts up, baby.
Keep on with the same, just don't expect different results, or expect any sympathy for being laughed at whenever the "equipment" is exposed.
Man, you have really gone around the bend.
others had been complaining, for how long? What was it? A couple of weeks? Three? But you just ignored them
***Others are not the admin mod. That does not line up with what you claimed. Basically, you’re full of it and now you’re backtracking. But I did ignore whatever “others” said. I seem to recall that some seagulls were telling me to have thick skin.
I took more of the same advice and ignored the rest of your post.
Post 66 “filled with emotional content”?
***Yes.
Kevmo almost certainly IS Rossi... or his mom. Either way, he has clearly shown, for a long time, that he is VERY interested in urging others to buy Rossi’s... “invention”.
Yeah, yeah, I just knew you would say that exact thing. What it means is you won't change anything, will push to the limits the same old story, just all dolled up to get past the moderators here (whom are "hands off" to a large extent) until they come give you a snout full of pepper spray again. No need to explain that. I had already gathered as much. And I doubt they'll bother. Just don't make the assumption you are fooling many here on that score, for reason of lack of further intervention.
I took more of the same advice and ignored the rest of your post.
Here again on this point, you are fooling no one but yourself, particularly yourself if you actually believe that statement, for you are mistaking indulging your own thick-headed stubbornness (pride), with having a "thick skin". The two are not interchangeable. Unfortunately enough for we humans, they are most often opposed to one another.
As a general hint, don't stand facing upwind tossing crumbs to shore birds. Man, that's just asking for it.
Your repetitious opening monologue, it's like that. Tossing crumbs in the wrong direction. Even if you are not trying to "make a sale".
Drop the comment, and you won't need dodge so many unwanted, uhm, contributions.
At least from this old crusty pelican.
Kevmo almost certainly IS Rossi... or his mom.
Interesting thought, one that has crossed many minds around here, jokingly or not.
...he has clearly shown, for a long time, that he is VERY interested in urging others to buy Rossi’s... “invention”.
That part would be difficult for anyone to refute.
I do recall that somewhere near the beginning of this series, he asked if he was working for Rossi.
I didn't notice a reply, or any offer of explanation.
Perhaps I missed that part, but I did look for it then.
On many questions all we hear, is [crickets]
Interesting thought, one that has crossed many minds around here, jokingly or not.
...he has clearly shown, for a long time, that he is VERY interested in urging others to buy Rossi’s... “invention”.
That part would be difficult for anyone to refute.
I do recall that somewhere near the beginning of this series, he asked if he was working for Rossi. I didn't notice a reply, or any offer of explanation. Perhaps I missed that part, but I did look for it then.
On many questions all we hear, is [crickets]
I will admit, one hypothesis that I have entertained is that Kevmo is associated with Rossi.
An alternate hypothesis involves his "investments" with Intrade, which is essentially an on-line gambling site. In order to make wagers, one must have someone to wager against. I believe that it's easy to find people to bet against cold fusion; finding people to bet for it is harder. Since Kevmo has described making money off of cold fusion via Intrade wagers--I must wonder if he's trying to gin up interest for the cold fusion wagers, so that more people will engage in the betting.
The way the stakes are being raised, I'm fairly certain the scam is coming close to unraveling. And why on earth would I buy a device that claims to have overcome the laws of physics? I might as well just write Rossi or one of his front companies a donation check; I'd get just as much in exchange.
And why on earth would I buy a device that claims to have overcome the laws of physics?
***In order to prove it a fraud. One way or the other, it’s going to come to a head.
Feel free to demonstrate where I leave crickets.
For me to be Rossi, he would have had to sign up on FR 2 months after JimRob and pretended conservatism for that whole time. Geez, those seagullers’ conspiracy theories are becoming incredibly complex. They violate Occham’s Razor. Not only that, but since they include me and I know what the truth is, so it becomes easier for me to figure out what’s going on.
...he has clearly shown, for a long time, that he is VERY interested in urging others to buy Rossi’s... “invention”.
***Bowl Sheet. I’m interested in getting naysayers & seagulls to put their money where their mouth is. Put up or shut up. But the seagull brigade does neither.
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get past the moderators here (whom are “hands off” to a large extent)
***Yeah, right /s. They accommodate the seagulls who have very thin skins but do nothing about the guys who leave behind worthless defecation and tons of classic fallacies & personal attacks.
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