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To: Wonder Warthog
Yes, they "are" naturally occurring. But if they appear in a sample that was originally pure nickel, they "do" provide evidence of a nuclear process. As do the ELEMENTAL ANALYSES done by Miley.
The analysis could not support any conclusion about where the samples came from. It was reported that Rossi supplied them (maybe in a brown paper bag, for all we know).

If Rossi put pure Nickel into the E-Cat, ran it for two months, and the sample came out with Copper and Iron, then it's evidence of fusion.

However, there is no evidence of this happening (other than Rossi's unsubstantiated claim). It is just as plausible that Rossi simply added some Copper and Iron to the Nickel. There is no way for any analysis to exclude that, although the claim that the sample contained only natural ratios of Ni and Cu does support the possibility that the sample was simply a mixture of elements from a chemistry set.

Now, if the sample did contain non-natural ratios of any of the elements (as it must if fusion is actually occurring), then there would be evidence of fusion going on. It would be much more difficult and expensive for Rossi to fake that.

Notice that no one is accusing Miley of faking his results. In part, that's because Miley's analysis does show changes in the isotope ratios, which I understand has been the hallmark of every seemingly successful LENR test.

Neither your information or my information is sufficient to make an informed judgment. What needs to be found (if available) is the actual report that Essen/Kullander generated. Or at least something that provides more detail.
The article I referenced (LINK) is NyTeknik, which I believe is an acceptable source for Rossi fans, and it directly quotes Sven Kullander, who I believe is also an acceptable source for Rossi fans.

As usual with Rossi, he won't release the actual data, so this is all we have to work with.

I think some of what Rossi says is deliberate misdirection.
So we agree that Rossi is lying about the E-Cat. Explain to me again how we should be believing everything he says (such as the "ash" sample he supplied really was transmuted in his E-Cat), while at the same time accepting that he is lying about it?

By the way, does it cause you the slightest concern that Rossi's new European partner is also selling a perpetual motion machine? I think that would shake my confidence a bit.

235 posted on 11/18/2011 3:47:59 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
"Now, if the sample did contain non-natural ratios of any of the elements (as it must if fusion is actually occurring).

Why must it?? This is YOUR assumption. Apparently Dr. Kullander doesn't see that natural ratio as evidence of a scam, or impossible.....just "weird". Hell, most of Mother Nature is "weird" (see quantum mechanics).

261 posted on 11/19/2011 5:51:51 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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