[Kevmo]

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The Cold Fusion Ping List

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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

[Kevmo]

http://renewable.50webs.com/

The Cold Fusion Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

[Lexinom]

I'm agnostic on Andrea Rossi, vacillating between what I want to believe, that he's onto the real deal, and what my doubts tell me, that he has gone overboard in secrecy ostensibly to protect IP.

Convince me: Why is Rossi onto something?

[Moonman62]

Scientist Andrea Rossi's "Energy Catalyzer" (E-Cat) pressure fusion reactor promises to accomplish all of this and more.

Rossi isn't a scientist.

[Moonman62]

Are Stremmenos and Levi on Rossi’s payroll, or is Sterling Allan’s Leonardo website a fraud?

[onyx]

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FReepathon Day 46!!

[JRandomFreeper]

When I can buy or build one (that works). I'll believe it. Until then, it's vaporware.

I can buy or build a hydrocarbon powered genset. Yes, I can actually machine the parts for the engine and wind the alternator. I know they work.

Proof=pudding.

The author of this piece discounts history in transition from one source of energy to another.

Great Britain, wood to coal. US, wood to coal to petroleum.

Those changes were abrupt, quick, and disruptive.

I suspect the next change will be the same.

There are plenty of hydrocarbons on Titan, if we want to go get them.

I remain, agnostic. Show me.

/johnny

[Politically Correct]

The whole article (the above is just an exerpt) is worth a read

[Mycroft Holmes]

The problem I have with the numbers presented is that they all deal with power, not energy which is power*time. The right units are kilowatt hours not kilowatts. I do believe that measuring the energy is a fairly trivial exercise but the numbers presented do not show this; they show power which is not the same and only part of the story. And not the interesting part either. The way this is presented smells of fakery because it would be easy to do the right measurements and calculations, they are just not being done and sufficient detail is not provided to do them at this remove.

[STD]

SCAM, scam and more SCAM

[Rapscallion]

Long dissertations are not necessarily convincing. Brevity is much appreciated.

[nuke rocketeer]

When the dust settles, I’m betting it’s just another scam. Rossi has been known to do this in the past.

[Mycroft Holmes]

The problem, as simply as I can state it, is that Rossi has a Magic box that he wants to sell. This box can be characterized as a system into which you feed energy (measured in KWh) according to a set of rules. This system outputs energy as heat. Heat is usually expressed as a change in temperature of a mass of a particular substance, usually water. But this translates directly, with the appropriate unambiguous calculations, into KWh.

So to claim proof we need to have input to the magic box in KWh and the output in KWh and then we need to figure out the maximum stored energy in the magic box part of the system we are not allowed to examine. This also needs to be in KWh to keep things simple and consistent.

We can know the maximum volume of the magic box. Given this volume we should easily be able to determine the maximum stored energy. Simply pick the densest energy storage method possible, multiply that by an order of magnitude (10 for those in Rio Linda), and you have a fairly conservative number for maximum stored energy. If the stored energy in the magic box exceeds this number you have a whole 'nother breakthrough which is interesting in its own right. We'll call this stored energy Z. This is also measured in KWh.

So, the canonical experiment is this. You pump X energy into the magic box, measured in KWh. You measure Y energy coming out, also in KWh. When Y - X >= Z (maximum stored energy calculated above) you have something interesting.

As far as I can tell this experiment has not been done. In the work that has been presented, input is measured in KWh and output is measured in temperature and the volumes of water involved are never quite specified. Not quite enough information is provided to do the relevant calculations.

So, color me skeptical.

[faucetman]

“Sherlock Holmes would ask what are the odds that Rossi, Focardi, Levi, Essén, Kullander, Christos Stremmenos, and a dozen other top scientists could all go insane at the same time, deciding to throw away their reputations, careers, and scientific legacies by endorsing a fraudulent energy scheme. How could a public test closely observed by 50 scientists be faked? The E-Cat produced so much energy that if the power had come from the wall socket, the power cord would have melted. No tiny hidden battery could have possibly unleashed so much energy, and the small amount of hydrogen gas consumed during the reactor test was independently measured at less than 1 gram, thus simple combustion is ruled out as an energy source. Overall hydrogen consumption for the E-Cat is estimated at 0.01 grams of hydrogen to produce 10 kilowatt hours of heat. The only reasonable explanation for the excess energy produced is some form of low energy nuclear reaction (LENR). Thus, no matter how improbable it is that Rossi and others have discovered a new field of physics, it must be true according to the practical logic of Sherlock Holmes.”

No $hit Sherlock. History is being made in front of your face and you refuse to accept it. “head in sand” syndrome.

[dinodino]

Yay, another Kevmo bullsh*t Rossi scam “reactor” thread!

Rossi is the most entertaining thing to happen around here for a while. Watching the E-Cat saga is like watching a car crash in slow motion!

[dinodino]

“that Rossi, Focardi, Levi, Essén, Kullander, Christos Stremmenos, and a dozen other top scientists”

Are you being serious!? You consider Rossi, whom has been convicted of fraud and PURCHASED HIS ENGINEERING DEGREE FROM A DIPLOMA MILL, a “top scientist?”

There’s no hope for you. I pray that you are not involved with the engineering discipline yourself. God save us if you are a civil engineer! Although, with the poor reasoning you display daily on these threads, I think it’s unlikely you’ve ever darkened the door of a laboratory...

[Johnny B.]

turning small amounts of nickel isotopes N-62 and N-64 into the copper isotopes CU-63 and CU-65. Every 6 months the fuel load is refreshed and the old metallic fuel is sold as valuable scrap metal.

Rossi claims HERE that in order to create the "fuel" for his E-Cat, he buys ordinary Nickel, and then, somehow, "enhances" the ⁶²Ni and ⁶⁴Ni isotopes.

However, THIS article states that "The isotopic analysis through ICP-MS doesn’t show any deviation from the natural isotopic composition of nickel and copper."

The article states that this is consistent with some unknown nuclear process. The article neglects to state that, since there is absolutely no sign of any nuclear process in either the fuel or "ash", that it is also consistent with Rossi just adding some Copper powder to some Nickel powder, using nothing more sophisticated than a kitchen scale.

If Rossi's E-Cat device was transmuting Nickel into Copper (regardless of the isotopes involved) it would change the isotope ratios away from the natural occurrences. There's no way to get around this. HERE is a good paper describing the problems with reconciling Rossi's claims with any reasonable nuclear process.

Note that George Miley published a PowerPoint presentation showing that he is getting 39 different non-natural isotope ratios. That kind of evidence would be very difficult and very expensive to fake. Rossi has nothing comparable. Rossi's "fuel" looks like completely ordinary Nickel. Rossi's "ash" looks like completely normal Nickel with some completely normal Copper mixed in.

Not only does Rossi's "fuel" and "ash" samples fail to prove any nuclear reactions, they contradict Rossi's own statement that he is "enhancing" the isotope ratios.

Even more remarkable is Rossi's claim that he is able to "enhance" the ⁶²Ni and ⁶⁴Ni isotopes. This is the same process that countries like Iran are trying to accomplish in order to produce bomb-grade material for nuclear bombs. It is the kind of industrial process that strains the capability of entire nations. HERE is the Wikipedia article on how this is done. None of the processes are the type of thing that someone could do in their kitchen.

Rossi is claiming that a six-month "fueling" of his E-Cat will cost between $10 and $20 (for upwards of 100 grams of "secret catalyst"). If that's true, he must have a "kitchen table" process to enrich specific isotopes of Nickel for something like $0.10/gram. If he can do this, it would be far more valuable than being able to build a box that produces some hot water and steam. Why isn't he "cashing in" on this process?

[Awnest]

Hey Kevmo,

if this science is real and Rossi is just the beginning. Won’t we be free of imported oil from the camel countries? Can we keep some of the $500B we pay for foreign oil annually? Could we pull outta some of those backwards countries with oil?

Would we have our own electric appliance at home and not fork over $$hundreds to CON Ed each month? Could we manufacture these machines in the USA?? WTF? Who wants to be energy independent?? I’d rather pay more taxes.

[Lazamataz]

Any definitive news, bro?

[montyspython]

[dila813]

When the scam is revealed, you are going to be the poster child