Posted on 11/14/2011 11:34:43 PM PST by Kevmo
So, to answer you question a bit more directly, no, I don't want to root about looking for the hidden information that should have been published up front. I have things to do that I can actually make work. My whole purpose here is to try and affect locally the abysmal state of what is referred to in the mass media as "critical thinking".
If you will actually look at the reports, you will see that what you want has indeed been done. Apparently, you have bought into the FUD arguments that have been circulated/circulating. The arguments brought forth about those demonstrations are BS from one end to the other. ONE legitimate criticism was made, and that was about the "wet vs.dry" steam notion from the first two demos. That was verfied as "not happening" in the third demo, which was run so as not to generate steam. And, in actual fact, the third demo was un-necessary, as the criticism about the methodology used to measure "steam quality" in the first two demos was also wrong.
But the data is there.
"So, to answer you question a bit more directly, no, I don't want to root about looking for the hidden information that should have been published up front.
You don't have to "root about". I've told you where the reports are available. In abbreviated form in the "News" section, and in full in the "Library" section of LENR-CANR.ORG.
What you have described is not useful. The experiment produces low grade (waste) heat as the output so the issue is confused when steam is included with the output as well as water. You want a mass of water with a starting temperature and an ending temperature and a volume. Forget steam, it’s too hard to measure. If your process requires producing steam, capture the output energy in the mass of water described earlier, measure, and get back to me when you have actual numbers. The whole setup is designed to generate confusion when simplicity is easily achieved. That is not how science proceeds.
And you keep asking me to look at the raw data and sort through it and do the calculations that should properly be done by those in a position to profit. I find this remarkable. You might think on this a bit.
If you have not, and will not, actually even LOOK at the reports, how can you know whether or not I'm asking you to do any such thing??
THAT is remarkable.
Which is precisely what was done in the third 18-hour "no-steam" demo.
If you have a convincing demo with numbers that make sense and work, present that. Don’t present nonsense that doesn’t add up and then spend your energy explaining where the “real” data is. Whining when people are unwilling to go get the data and sort the wheat from the chaff with no hope of ever eating the bread makes you look like an Academic looking for graduate slaves. Not interested.
Saw that on a video yesterday ~ very interesting stuff.
Or, crunch WintoGreen mints in the dark in front of a mirror. See the flash. Same thing! Hotter than the Sun!
When you have temperatures like that you can create nuclear fusion.
In fact, while UK was moving rapidly into coal due to the disappearance of wood the United States had people IMPROVING the jack tar pine breed to produce more combustible oil in ever larger quantities.
The only JARRING TRANSITION occurred when electric motors replaced drive belt systems that provided power from a central belt in factories. As fast as wires could be threaded through a factory machines were converted to electric drives.
You can make a pretty good argument that the productivity improvements that derived from that transition was a major cause of the deflation that appeared coincidentally with the Great Depression.
I hosted a talk given by Seth Putterman on sonic fusion some time back. See: http://home.fuse.net/clymer/snf/ He arrived with a pile of transparencies and wanted to know how long he had to talk. I asked him what he was comfortable with. He replied anywhere between a half and six hours. It was very interesting with absolutely no smoke and few mirrors. Small joke.
Let me say about that ~ scam, scam, scam, scam, scam, scam and scam!
Then there's Edison. You stack his credentials up against Tesla's and what do you get?
Yeah. Usually I gotto pay $11.00 for that.
Tesla v. Edison Hmm, brilliant innovator with a deep understanding of physical reality and no business sense vs. brilliant manager who understood the power of an industrial research lab with much business savvy. Well, I know who I would bet on to come home with his lunch money. Tesla was robbed. It is ever such.
One thing to dismiss Rossi, but what about the other bonafide scientists? Focardi, Levi, Essen, Kullander (Chairman Energy The Royal Academy of Science) is giving a public lecture on LENR and Rossi’s implementation. And Bushnell Chief Scientist at NASA Langley?? Mills, Miley, SPAWAR, 2200 peer-reviewed papers on LENR effects??
How does one Italian fake all these guys out?? Maybe he pays them??
Putterman’s discussion was absolutely fascinating. Looking at his equipment it seems he actually has some “desk top” devices that easily produce varying levels of electrons, protons and neutrons and varying electron volt power levels (I can only guess that’s in terms of mass and velocity so you can tell us ~ he didn’t).
I keep my Science at the throne in the main throne room so it is ever present to read as conditions permit or require.
For shorter snippets I keep Science News there.
I have a FREE SUBSCRIPTION from Science ~ a reward for finding errors and reporting them. One of the ways folks outside of the realm of the degreed masterminds can contribute.
Hey Kevmo,
if this science is real and Rossi is just the beginning. Won’t we be free of imported oil from the camel countries? Can we keep some of the $500B we pay for foreign oil annually? Could we pull outta some of those backwards countries with oil?
Would we have our own electric appliance at home and not fork over $$hundreds to CON Ed each month? Could we manufacture these machines in the USA?? WTF? Who wants to be energy independent?? I’d rather pay more taxes.
The executive summary of Putterman’s work is that there is fusion happening in a provable way but there isn’t very much. Scaling up is a problem, there is no clear path to break even power. But there are commercial possibilities as a small nuclear source. At least that’s what I remember from the talk. I’m working my own problem currently so I didn’t re-read the site to check for updates.
It's not something you can train for but it is a necessary mental skill for folks who write legislation, regulations and instructions. Not to change the subject but Tony Wiener claims he was the guy who wrote ObamaKKKare ~ the whole thing! Having done volumes of rules of even greater complexity and extent I believe him. However, he wasn't the best for the job ~ he couldn't keep all the loose ends together in his mind and evalute how they meshed over time. The result is a POS which will be crushed under the weight of reconsideration.
At any one time all of Washington DC has maybe a dozen guys with that particular skill set so it's not all that common. Most of them are treated like cr*p by the guys who "make decisions and set policy". You could wipe out the ability of the federal government to mess with people by buying up all the rule writers with a few million bucks.
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