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To: buffaloguy; Loyal Buckeye
Just wait out more information before condemning Joe Paterno and the other people who have been fired. They may be innocent of any wrong doing, but guilty of following policies which have been in palce for decades and which have seemed to be effective in the past.

Post #6 applies to some degree to your comment here.

Look, I agree with this stance when it comes to the NCAA holding Penn State accountable. ESPN interviewed its president late last week and he said the NCAA will wait until the criminal investigations are done before they come in and spank Penn State (obviously he didn't use the word "spank") with NCAA by-law violations.

[Note: He didn't mention by-law 2.4...but that would be one example that Penn State could be "written up" by the NCAA...for failure to practice ethics such as "honesty" and "responsibility" off the field.]

The reason why this otherwise "can't wait" is because this isn't simply a "Penn State" problem...it's a major cultural problem (one that goes beyond Penn State).

Certainly it includes the culture at Penn State. When this story first broke, the Attorney General's office pointed to the Penn State "culture" as problematic. (An obvious understatement)

Read the Washington Times article about the profanity that a lone protestor had to suffer Saturday from Penn State fans. At Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protest

Or read this Sporting News article: Culture of indifference ultimately cost Paterno his job

The Culture of indifference...apathy about boys being raped.

That columnist says: The culture of indifference that resonates still to this very day at Penn State. That was Paterno early Wednesday afternoon, releasing a statement and proclaiming he would retire at the end of the season—and that the Board of Trustees “should not spend a single minute discussing my status.” In other words, I’ll tell you when I’m leaving; you can’t fire me. Just like in the spring of 2004, when Curley and Spanier arrived at Paterno’s house and asked him to retire. Get the hell out of here, Joe said. Just like the loyal students camped outside Paterno’s house Tuesday night, chanting “Joe must stay”; cheering a man who could have stopped so many more senseless attacks by a sexual predator had he just dialed 9-1-1.

Sorry...but the culture doesn't wait for investigations to be completed, indictments to come down, etc. It moves daily.

9 posted on 11/14/2011 6:45:33 AM PST by Colofornian (IÂ’ve been amazed at some of the JoPologists and McScuses that have been surfacing)
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To: Colofornian

This actually has the earmarks of people who knew that there ws a wrong committed but who were put in legal chains by policies that turned out to be ineffective.

I think we should just wait before we drop the dime on these people. My own suspicion is that there may be a person whose name we have not heard yet who is the main culprit in making sure that the attempts to put a stop to this failed.


10 posted on 11/14/2011 7:07:31 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Colofornian

“That columnist says: The culture of indifference”

He can say anything - it is an opinion. In the end, the vast majority of Penn Staters are
heartbroken, want the whole place cleaned out and are looking forward to getting it done.

Once a new coach is named, he will likely bring in his own people anyway. I’ve wanted that
for [other reasons] at least 10 years now.


22 posted on 11/14/2011 10:19:26 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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