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1 posted on 10/29/2011 12:01:26 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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The Big Red Socialist machine must be fed.. who cares who loses their homes?

Redistribution of Wealth is the Left’s number 1 agenda item and the entitled media and elite will work as hard and as long as they are allowed to to destroy private property rights and fund their socialist agenda.


2 posted on 10/29/2011 12:06:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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California is following the course of absolute, on-demand democracy. The result will not be good.


3 posted on 10/29/2011 12:09:33 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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After Proposition 13 passed, local tax revenues plunged to the point that schools, parks, roads and public safety suffered for lack of operating funds.

Revenues plunged? Prop. 13, iirc, stopped the property taxes from climbing. What Willie Brown and his associate Democratics in the Assembly did, to punish the evil constituents, was to defund/underfund the infrastructure of California and continue to grow the welfare state and public sector union payola schemes. Prop. 13's charisma was that it "potentially" sent a message for the state legislature to balance its budget and to keep elders in their homes rather than kick them to the curb when their property taxes outstripped their fixed incomes.

This author underplays the fact that California has not only property taxes, but a state income tax and sales tax.

To the fat-cat politicians of California, Prop. 13 was/ is a horrible roadblock to statist utopia; for the working families and retirees, it was a respite from the increasing tax burden of the oppressive legislature.

4 posted on 10/29/2011 12:21:32 PM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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7 posted on 10/29/2011 1:13:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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Prop 13 is a sound way of keeping gov’t out of our wallets - and the bleat about ‘lost revenue’ is bogus.

During the hot real estate market - when houses were selling far above what they were worth, the counties were raking in a lot of money. Sacramento authorized development of the Natomas area for that very reason- except they were too stupid for their own good and allowed construction on a flood plain now costing tax payers millions to secure.

Those old houses taxed at a low rate were rotated into houses taxed at the price the house was sold at.

The problem was that the stupid demonrats couldn’t stop spending the money they got - and no one took the check book away from them.


8 posted on 10/29/2011 1:19:03 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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The results of an uncontrolled property tax environment was made painfully evident to the older residents/retirees in the Flathead Lake area of Montana. Property taxes shot up uncontrollably in the ‘90s - forcing retirees out of their homes because they could no longer afford to pay the property tax - because the property values skyrocketed.

Gov’t doesn’t have a revenue problem - it has a spending problem.


10 posted on 10/29/2011 1:21:32 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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Tax reform was needed, but it has become apparent that 13 was not the right formula.

Thank God for prop 13. I don’t know much about your formulas.
I do know that prop 13 saved many homes of folks whose property taxes were draining them of all their resourses.

One of the few organizations I regularly contribute to is the Howard Jarvis Protect Prop 13 group who fight to resist prop 13 repeal, something the unions and the legislature have tried to do for 30+ years. This battle will never end.


13 posted on 10/29/2011 2:41:30 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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“...After Proposition 13 passed, local tax revenues plunged to the point that schools, parks, roads and public safety suffered for lack of operating funds. After Proposition 10, interest rates on auto, home, appliance and business loans skyrocketed to the 12 -20% range. Lenders would now finance at “competitive” interest rates.

Ultimately, usury costs far outstripped the high taxes people suffered pre-13...”

This is rank economic and political illiteracy. I was there and knew Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann. The “Coach” ought to be fired because he trying to call plays he doesn’t understand.


14 posted on 10/29/2011 2:56:04 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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